from_name: Michael P. Hopcroft

subject: [WikiEN-l] New contributor and article plans

body:
Hi! I just signed up for my Wikipedia account and have done my first two
edits. (I added a note about "The Inner Light" winning the 1993 Hugo and
added character descriptions to the article for "You're Under Arrest!".)

I don't know how to start a new article, but there are several I want to
do. I need to do a little research on them, but what I would like to do is:

Notable Filk Artists:

Heather Alexander
Cecilia Eng
Dr. James Robinson (fromerly Dr. Jane Robinson)

Card Captor Sakura character proflies:

Sakura Kinomoto
Li Syaoran
Tomoyo Daidouji
Yukito Tsukishiro/Yue
Eriol Hiiragizawa
Touya Kinomoto
Kaho Mizuki
Keroberos (Kero-chan)
Ruby Moon and Spinel Sun

Role Playing Game Titles (if they aren't already there)

Champions
Big Eyes, Small Mouth

Filk Albums

Cold Iron (Leslie Fish)
The Undertaker's Horse (Leslie Fish)
Chickasaw Mountain (Leslie Fish)
Firestorm; Songs of the Third World War (leslie Fish)
Fossil Fever (Dr. James Robinson)

Fandom Terminology

E+T
Lemon
Relationshippers

Any suggestions on how to go about doing this once the research is done.


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from_name: Anthere

subject: [Foundation-l] UNESCO

body:
Since some of you participated to that project, I forward the answer to
you all.

Unfortunately, we are not in the list of funded projects. Well, we'll
try again next year :-)

Anthere

---- Message renvoy? par ifapprojects at unesco.org ----

Date:
De : ifapprojects at unesco.org
?: board at wikimedia.org
Copie :
R?pondre ?:
Sujet: [Ticket#: 118464-FW] UNESCO's Information for All P [...]

 > Version fran?aise ci-dessous
 >
 > Dear project proponents,
 >
 > The UNESCO Secretariat has pleasure in informing you that the Bureau of
 > the Intergovernmental Council for the Information for All Programme,
 > which met for its eight meeting in Paris, from 4 to 6 April 2005, has
 > granted financial assistance to twenty-four projects related to
 > information literacy, preservation of information, and ethical
 > implications of information and communication technology (ICT).
 >
 > The list of projects, for which funding was approved is at:
 >
 > http://www.unesco.org/webworld/ifapprojects/2005
 >
 > We shall shortly contact the proponents of projects which have been
 > approved, for more details on the project implementation.
 >
 > The Bureau, chaired by Daniel Malbert (France), approved US$758,000 in
 > funding for eight projects concerning Africa; five concerning Asia and
 > Latin America/Caribbean, respectively; and two concerning Eastern Europe
 > and the Arab region, respectively. The Bureau also approved funding two
 > international projects.
 >
 > A total of 502 projects were submitted to the Bureau by organizations
 > all over the world with a total of requested funds exceeding US$20
 > million.
 >
 > We thank you for your interest in the UNESCO?s Information for All
 > Programme.
 >
 > Axel Plathe
 > UNESCO
 > Information Society Division
 > a.plathe at unesco.org
 >
______________________________________________________________________________
 >
 > Bonjour
 >
 > Le Secr?tariat de l?UNESCO a le plaisir de vous informer que le Bureau
 > du Conseil intergouvernemental pour le programme ?Information pour
 > tous?, qui a tenu sa huiti?me session ? Paris du 4 au 6 avril 2005, a
 > accord? une assistance financi?re ? vingt-quatre projets li?s ?
 > l?alphab?tisation de l'information, la pr?servation de l?information, et
 > les implications ?thiques des technologies de l'information et de la
 > communication.
 >
 > La liste de projets, pour lesquels des fonds ont ?t? approuv?s est ?
 > l?adresse suivante:
 >
 > http://www.unesco.org/webworld/ifapprojects/2005.
 >
 > Nous contacterons sous peu toux ceux  dont les projets ont ?t?
 > approuv?s, pour plus de d?tails quant ? leur ex?cution.
 >
 > Le Bureau, pr?sid? par Daniel Malbert (France), a approuv? EU $ 758,000
 > pour le financement de huit projets concernant l?Afrique ; cinq projets
 > concernant respectivement l?Asie et l?Am?rique Latine et les Cara?bes,
 > deux projets concernant respectivement l?Europe de l?Est et la R?gion
 > Arabe. Le Bureau a ?galement approuv? deux projets internationaux.
 >
 > Au total 502 projets ont ?t? soumis au Bureau par des organismes partout
 > dans le monde avec un total de fonds demand?s exc?dant EU $ 20 millions.
 >
 > Nous vous remercions pour l?int?r?t manifest? ? l??gard du programme de
 > l?UNESCO ? Information pour tous ?.
 >
 > Cordialement
 >
 > Axel Plathe
 > UNESCO
 > Division de la Soci?t? de l?information
 > a.plathe at unesco.org
 >
 >
---- Fin du message retransmi ----


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subject: [Foundation-l] UNESCO


list: wikipedia-l

from_name: Jack Lutz

subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Sanger's memoirs

body:
wiki pedista wrote:

>Talking about the Spanish fork, Larrys letter
>announcing he was no longer an employee was the spark
>for it, but that is another long story.
>
>
Can you elaborate on that? There is not much information that I see, in
English, about the Spanish fork.


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from_name: Brion Vibber

subject: [Wikitech-l] Re: Test wiki

body:
Phil Boswell wrote:
> Liking the new features, but the account creation totally boggled me. I
> entered my name, and my favourite "temporary" password, and clicked "Create
> new account". Without warning me, it sent me an email with a *new* password.
>
> The confusing thing is that it would seem that the system remembered the
> password I had entered previously, so when I tried to change it from the
> gash password from the email, it complained...I only found out by trial and
> error that my original password was operational.
>
> Is this actually a change in policy or is this just how the test system is
> set up?

It's supposed to be an e-mail verification system, but it's pretty badly
broken and needs to be replaced with one that actually works in a
reasonable manner.

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subject: [Foundation-l] Re: [Wikinews-l] Re: Chinese Wikinews: thoughts

body:
Craig Franklin <craig at halo-17.net> wrote:
Scr?obh Eric Moeller:

> There has now been a vote, organized by Formulax, among Chinese language
> Wikimedians on whether there should be a Chinese Wikinews.

I think it's interesting, but I hope that the board would withdraw support
for a Wikinews that would have as a central plank of policy, a rule which
conflicts with NPOV. Unfortunately, the Chinese government suppressing an
NPOV Chinese-language news site is a very real possibility. I think that no
zh.wikinews is still a better option than a zh.wikinews that panders to the
communist government.

--------------
Hello
I do not think any of us in the board would support a site which would not follow the neutrality rule.

If I had a couple of words to define what is in common with all of our projects, it would be

* libre
* gratis
* unbiaised
* community built

Any of these four failing would sign the failure of our project ihmo.

The first two ones are the only way we can insure that anyone can access the information. Libre information can circulate without restriction. It does not matter very much that some of the content is not free of charge on other websites or on cdroms... what matters is that there is at least one accessible gratis version somewhere, so that financial issues do not become a bottle neck in the access to information. We can be that gratis version.

The third one is somehow part of our mission statement. We are not activists (but for the point we all believe knowledge should be freely accessible), we do not support one religion or on political party or whatever. Staying neutral is the best choice for us to prosperate, the best choice for us to be able to work together without to get stuck on philosophical issues, the best choice for anyone reading us to make informed consent and make the best decisions. This might be the hardest point to respect, the hardest to understand, but we should not, ever, agree voluntarily to go on a path where it is so easy to get diverted already.

The fourth point... is not only about us all having fun together. The fourth is also a requirement for the number three to get respected. We need to be open and to work together, because it is the only way to get really fully neutral. As soon as we start to give more authority or more rights to a certain group, be it for political reasons, for expertise reasons, we fail in this that we accept a certain view of the world to have more weight than other views. For example, if we start "protecting us" by removing all the people who do not fit in a certain frame, we might very well end up eliminating any editor from african or asian countries, we might end up building a resource for them to use, we might impose them our resource instead of letting them built it.

This is why the chinese wikinews stuff is so tricky.

If we open it, we might end up either with a closed site, in particular full closing of all wikimedia projects => hence failing in our will to inform anyone
If we open it, we might end up with a site agreeing to self-censorship => hence failing in our will to be neutral

But if we do not open it, we end up not allowing chinese editors to build up their own resource, we force them to only rely on the english resource for example => hence failing in our will to inform anyone since not all of them understand english.

I might also suggest chinese editors to join the english speaking wikinews to ensure balance of views... but again... that requires fluency...

At that point, I think it is to the chinese community to decide, because I think they should balance the risk of self censorship to happen, the risk of full closing of project... with the benefit of having their view points better taken into account if they think they are not.

A tricky temporary solution might be (if enough chinese are good speaking), that more chinese editors participate to english wikinews, and that an independant website translate en.wikinews in chinese every day.

People might scream as I suggest this I suppose :-) But here is what *I* think. And what *I* fear a little bit...

Contrarywise to wikipedia, wikinews is much more "localized". The best proof of it is the number of editors who want to build a geographically localised portal page (such as scandinavian wikinews) to inform scandinavian editors. I fear that if we are not careful, wikinews slowly slip from being based on languages to being based on countries or ecoregions. The result of it might be possibly that more and more people focus on their local news... and of course report common local frame of mind.

It might be that ... a geographical bias or cultural systemic bias will be much much much stronger on wikinews than any other wikimedia projects. The opposite on the scale being wikicommons. This suggest to me that it could make sense to favor more a few languages where participants of many languages and countries and cultures participate, and then that articles are translated in other languages.

At the same time, this is so english-centric that it is scary :-)

Anthere

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from_name: Dori

subject: [Wikitech-l] Re: EXIF data display

body:
On 4/21/05, Brion Vibber <brion at pobox.com> wrote:
>
> Magnus Manske wrote:
> > Phil Boswell schrieb:
> >>>What am I looking for? I'm getting nothing like your screen shot: it
> just
> >>>looks like an normal image page.
> >
> > If you want to play, you'll have to setup a CVS HEAD snapshot on your
> > own server, or wait for Brion to finally, *finally* (see a pattern
> > here?) setup a demo site :-)
>
> Here ya go:
>
> http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Image:Town_hall%2C_Reims%2C_France_2004-11-05.jpg
>
> Might want to change the alignment on the table cells. Localized,
> NonCamelCase item names might be nice too though that'll be some work.
> I'm uncertain about the right-floating table; it's awfully big and seems
> to weigh kind of strangely.

It's be nice if it could collapseable like the TOC, and be collapsed by
default. It'd also be nice to gather some stats on the camera models used,
if some are more likely to produce featured pictures, etc.


subject: [Foundation-l] Important AND urgent

body:
JoiIto just told me we could be nominated for the Ars
Electronica digital community prize for Wikicommons.

Well, we were nominated but nobody had accepted the
nomination till today (last day), so we were on verge
of being rejected.

I just accepted the nomination on behalf of the
community.

As a reminder, we got this prize last year for
wikipedia community.
It is worth presenting wikicommmons, as the community
and the interaction between editors is significantly
different than on Wikipedia, in particular due to
multilingualism. Actually, Wikicommons might be the
ultimate type of digital community !

Now, we have about 24 hours to provide information
about wikicommons.

The good news is that Villy recently wrote a text
about wikicommons for Quarto. But he wrote it in
french. Part was translated, but need copyediting.
Other parts were not translated.

Please HELP fix the page till tomorrow and improve it
if you feel it necessary (add pictures, logos...).

This is both IMPORTANT AND URGENT.

I hope some of you can help.

Thanks a lot in advance.

Anthere

(and thanks to villy)

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Anthere/wikicommons_overview

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subject: [Foundation-l] Important AND urgent


from_name: Sj

subject: [Foundation-l] Re: UNESCO

body:
On 4/22/05, Anthere <anthere9 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Gerard Meijssen a ?crit:
> > Delphine M?nard wrote:
> >> Thoughts?
>
> I think Aurevilly also said he had some possible connexions there.

Official recognition would be lovely, and fitting.  Making and
maintaining contact with national UNESCO commissions would also be a
useful step.

> > Hoi,
> > One subject that is covered on many wikipedia's in the World Heritage
> > Fund (also UNESCO). I have been trying for some time to get us a
> > "partner" status with them. I am at the stage that they have
> > acknowledged that I requested this and that they are considering it. I
> > have made a spiel on how well covered the world heritage sites already are..
> >
> > I am in favour of being a "regognised" party but I think we should try
> > to aim for more than that. :)
> >
> > As to us not getting the IFAP money, is their a motivation? I would like
> > to learn from it.
>
> Probably the number of requests... :-)

Or the fact that the submitted proposal did not claim to address any
of the three "main priorities" of this rfp.  The reviewers may not
have bothered to read the rest.

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subject: [Foundation-l] Re: UNESCO


subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Encarta goes wiki - sort of...

body:
On 4/19/05, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/19/05, Sj <2.718281828 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Indeed.  Some basic social-software features that let users describe
> > themselves and set up networks of friends and project-collaborators,
> > and let others view those connections, would actually have a *purpose*
> > on a project like Wikipedia, just as the social aspects of wiki come
> > to have a real purpose beyond social experimenting and
> > procrastination.
>
> Perhaps we could setup a section of the site where each user could
> write about themselves, perhaps their hobbies or profession, maybe
> even include a picture... In this space they could create subpages,
> and hyperlinks going to other users they know or work with.. the
> ability to socially network.. areas for discussing various special
> interests, information about projects they are working on.... Hmmmmm..
> Nah, it would never work. ;)

When I say "networks" and "connections" I mean something that supports
viewing actual networks and connection graphs or quickly aggregated
data from some natural subnetwork, like "all people within 2
connections from me" or "everyone working with james on a project who
is also working with me on a project" ; or an automatic list of
"everyone who shares these hobbies/locations" rather than having to
manually update and search a hundred different lists when you want to
find that information.

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from_name: Daniel Mayer

subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Wikipedia-l Digest, Vol 21, Issue 53

body:
Could somebody block this troll from this list? What he just wrote does not
even merit reply.

-- mav

--- Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh, come on.
>
> > For the entire history of Bomis from day one until the current day, the
> > percentage of revenue that comes from adult businesses has been under
> > 10%.  The bulk of the revenue of Bomis today comes from advertising
> > syndicated from Google; in the past it was at various times Overture and
> > NBCi which provided the bulk of the revenue.
>
> "Under 10%" is code language for "Over 5%". Bomis is easily
> "legitimised" by adding tonnes of search-engine sponsored results,
> directory type stuff, syndicated adds, and the like, just to 'balance
> out' the pornographic content.
>
> Many pornographic websites which are more explicitly pornographic than
> Bomis also have a search engine/syndicated advertising 'front', from
> which they derive the majority of their revenue, but...
>
> > Far from being a "secret", Bomis is a public website that anyone can
> > look at anytime they like.  If Bomis is pornography so is much of what
> > happens in R rated movies.
>
> I never said Bomis was a secret. I simply said that the fact that
> Bomis peddles pornography, and that the history of Wikipedia is
> intricately intertwined with Bomis, is kept a secret of sorts. Read
> the Wikipedia articles on the issue, you will not see much mention of
> pornography, but go to #wikipedia on freenode and you will hear a much
> different story.
>
> And I remind you that in many R-rated movies, there are... well, you
> can find that information at Wikipedia.
>
> > Bomis _is_ a brand which is very different from the Wikipedia brand,
> > which is why I have always insisted on keeping the two very separate.
>
> Yes, but is not Bomis the ultimate origin of Nupedia which is the
> ultimate origin of Wikipedia? You have said many things in this
> discussion confirming that Nupedia and at first Wikipedia were both
> Bomis projects. Sure, there was never a sign posted at Wikipedia that
> said "Come Buy Porn from Bomis!", but the fact that much of the
> funding for Wikipedia comes directly or indirectly (ie, through you
> and other donors who profit from Bomis) from a business which makes
> "less than 10%" of its revenue through pornography.
>
> So while in your mind they may be very seperate, this is not something
> that everybody follows along with, similar to your delusion that you
> aren't a sort of god-king but rather just a sort of "amicus
> vicipaedii" who is respected so much people tend to do what you say. I
> hope that eventually you will catch on to the reality of the issue -
> what real people actually really think, their real motivations rather
> than those you imagine for them, and that what people think and what
> you would like people to think are often very different.
>
> Mark
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from_name: The Cunctator

subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Sanger's memoirs

body:
On 4/22/05 1:54 AM, "wiki pedista" <wikipedista at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I want to start by saying that I have not read
> Sanger's memories yet, just the thread on this list.
> So, what I say here comes only from this list and my
> (hopefully not so failing) memory.
>
> I came to Wikipedia sometime on January 2001, and that
> would make me the only non-founder wikipedian still
> around. While I don't know  anything of Larry and Jimbo's
> interaction outside the wiki, in Wikipedia itself Larry seemed
> to run the show, and either created or developed many (maybe
> most) of the conventions that we still follow. The direct
> work of Jimbo (again, just from what I remember I saw in
> the wiki) was much smaller, which makes sense
> considering he had somebody hired to do the job of running an
> encyclopedia, and the job was being
> well done. Larry  wrote at least once a week what I
> remember as "encyclicals" for wikipedia, documents
> that delved in detail in some aspect of policy, and that
> then sparked discussion about that policy or proposed
> policy in particular.

I want to say that AstroNomer did a great job of retelling the Wikipedia
early history here. I came in only in July 2001 and it was clear that Larry
had done a lot of grunt work and great thinking about the project. He and I
were originally on fine terms, but we started getting into conflict over
policy discussions and decisions; you can more or less follow the
highlights/lowlights of the conflict at my "negative talk" page.

It's a mistake to think that "the fact that there was a main authority in
Wikipedia" was offensive to me. That's what Larry thought, but it wasn't the
case. What was offensive to me was his hypocrisy when he would claim not to
have or use any special authority but then would. I also did consistently
argue in favor of soft-security principles instead of hard-security
principles, again something that people often mistake as arguments against
authority.

It's really too bad that "How to Destroy Wikipedia" seems to have gone down
the Memory Hole, because it's a fine example of me pouring gasoline on a
fire (in short, it was the inflammatory, negative version of "How to Build
Wikipedia" but you'd have to read it to understand) out of frustration and
an unfortunate tendency toward sarcastic fatalism.


from_name: Fred Bauder

body:
Without doing a lot of work looking up all the things you mention, a few
thoughts:

Jump in, go ahead and write a few of these articles and see how other
editors react. Some, may, for example, improve your articles, others may
list them for deletion for various reasons.

Don't get all excited if everything does not go perfectly. If you are
refered to a Wikipedia policy, go there and try to puzzle it out.

Have fun.

An alternative would be to carefully study all the Wikipedia policies before
making any edits, but even our policy wonks couldn't stand that.

Fred

> From: "Michael P. Hopcroft" <michael at mphpress.com>
> Reply-To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 01:20:43 -0700
> To: wikien-l at Wikipedia.org
> Subject: [WikiEN-l] New contributor and article plans
>
> Hi! I just signed up for my Wikipedia account and have done my first two
> edits. (I added a note about "The Inner Light" winning the 1993 Hugo and
> added character descriptions to the article for "You're Under Arrest!".)
>
> I don't know how to start a new article, but there are several I want to
> do. I need to do a little research on them, but what I would like to do is:
>
> Notable Filk Artists:
>
> Heather Alexander
> Cecilia Eng
> Dr. James Robinson (fromerly Dr. Jane Robinson)
>
> Card Captor Sakura character proflies:
>
> Sakura Kinomoto
> Li Syaoran
> Tomoyo Daidouji
> Yukito Tsukishiro/Yue
> Eriol Hiiragizawa
> Touya Kinomoto
> Kaho Mizuki
> Keroberos (Kero-chan)
> Ruby Moon and Spinel Sun
>
> Role Playing Game Titles (if they aren't already there)
>
> Champions
> Big Eyes, Small Mouth
>
> Filk Albums
>
> Cold Iron (Leslie Fish)
> The Undertaker's Horse (Leslie Fish)
> Chickasaw Mountain (Leslie Fish)
> Firestorm; Songs of the Third World War (leslie Fish)
> Fossil Fever (Dr. James Robinson)
>
> Fandom Terminology
>
> E+T
> Lemon
> Relationshippers
>
> Any suggestions on how to go about doing this once the research is done.
>
> _______________________________________________
> WikiEN-l mailing list
> WikiEN-l at Wikipedia.org
> http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l


subject: [Wikitech-l] Open bug count: 346

body:
There are currently 346 open bugs filed on the MediaWiki component which
are not enhancement requests.

Let's work on shrinking that number, shall we? :)

http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/shortcut/openbugs

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subject: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki and PostgreSQL

body:
Christophe Truffier wrote:
> I would like to know if there is anybody who's going to merge with
> PostgreSQL server. I want to use MediaWiki with PostgreSQL but actually
> the main problem is that I've got lots of errors...
>
> I'm about to make it work, therefore I'll make patch. If anybody have
> tried to do so I'd like to read experience about it.

You might want to start with the in-progress patches at
http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1709

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from_name: Stacey Greenstein

body:
One way to get started is to put all of those article titles into your user
page. This way you'd have a convenient place to go to for article creation.
Feeling in the mood to write? Go to your user page and click on one of your
own red links. Or perhaps you'll see that a link you've made has turned blue
and you can see hat someone else has written.

Have fun!

[[User:UtherSRG]]

On 4/22/05, Michael P. Hopcroft <michael at mphpress.com> wrote:
>
> Hi! I just signed up for my Wikipedia account and have done my first two
> edits. (I added a note about "The Inner Light" winning the 1993 Hugo and
> added character descriptions to the article for "You're Under Arrest!".)
>
> I don't know how to start a new article, but there are several I want to
> do. I need to do a little research on them, but what I would like to do
> is:
>
> Notable Filk Artists:
>
> Heather Alexander
> Cecilia Eng
> Dr. James Robinson (fromerly Dr. Jane Robinson)
>
> Card Captor Sakura character proflies:
>
> Sakura Kinomoto
> Li Syaoran
> Tomoyo Daidouji
> Yukito Tsukishiro/Yue
> Eriol Hiiragizawa
> Touya Kinomoto
> Kaho Mizuki
> Keroberos (Kero-chan)
> Ruby Moon and Spinel Sun
>
> Role Playing Game Titles (if they aren't already there)
>
> Champions
> Big Eyes, Small Mouth
>
> Filk Albums
>
> Cold Iron (Leslie Fish)
> The Undertaker's Horse (Leslie Fish)
> Chickasaw Mountain (Leslie Fish)
> Firestorm; Songs of the Third World War (leslie Fish)
> Fossil Fever (Dr. James Robinson)
>
> Fandom Terminology
>
> E+T
> Lemon
> Relationshippers
>
> Any suggestions on how to go about doing this once the research is done.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> WikiEN-l at Wikipedia.org
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>


from_name: Philipp

subject: [Wikitech-l] Searchindex error

body:
Hi,

I'm getting a searchindex error when trying to save a particular article after
editing:

> Es gab einen Syntaxfehler in der Datenbankabfrage. Die letzte Datenbankabfrage
> lautete:
>   REPLACE INTO `searchindex` (si_page,si_title,si_text) VALUES
>   ('1209','it-dokumentation',' [... a big bunch of keywords ...] ')
> aus der Funktion "SearchUpdate::doUpdate". MySQL meldete den Fehler "1062:
> Duplicate entry ' ' for key 3".

When it appeared the first time the trailing remark about where the error
occurred was different (AFAIR, can't reproduce the "first-time-message") saying
also one should try to update the searchindex. Which gives me the same error on
the command line with some more info around:

>  >~/tools/php/bin/php -f updateSearchIndex.php
> Updating searchindex between 20050421063319 and 20050422063319
>    --- Waiting for lock ---
> Warning: Missing argument 1 for locksearchindex() in
> /home/cddoc/tools/httpd/htdocs/wiki/maintenance/updateSearchIndex.inc
> on line 79
>
> Diba-Tips
> TA-Feedback_JAVA-CodeFormatter
> Loadbalancer_SZZ
> Client-Interface-Philosophie
> AutoHotkey
> News_and_ToDoS_VA
> Dokumentation
> IT-DokumentationA database error has occurred
> Query: REPLACE INTO `searchindex` (si_page,si_title,si_text) VALUES
> ('1209','it-dokumentation',' [... big bunch of keywords ...] ')
> Function: SearchUpdate::doUpdate
> Error: 1062 Duplicate entry ' ' for key 3
>
> Backtrace:
> Database.php line 345 calls wfdebugdiebacktrace()
> Database.php line 297 calls databasemysql::reportqueryerror()
> Database.php line 1057 calls databasemysql::query()
> SearchUpdate.php line 112 calls databasemysql::replace()
> updateSearchIndex.inc line 66 calls searchupdate::doupdate()
> updateSearchIndex.php line 51 calls updatesearchindex()

Any ideas how to get this back to normal? Is there a probated way to just delete
the existing (but obviously somehow corrupted) searchindex and rebuild with the
PHP script afterwards? I would guess "delete * from searchindex where 1" might
be a bit too brutal.

Regards
Philipp


body:
PS. What's your username?

On 4/22/05, Stacey Greenstein <stacey.nj at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> One way to get started is to put all of those article titles into your
> user page. This way you'd have a convenient place to go to for article
> creation. Feeling in the mood to write? Go to your user page and click on
> one of your own red links. Or perhaps you'll see that a link you've made has
> turned blue and you can see hat someone else has written.
>
> Have fun!
>
> [[User:UtherSRG]]
>
> On 4/22/05, Michael P. Hopcroft <michael at mphpress.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi! I just signed up for my Wikipedia account and have done my first two
> > edits. (I added a note about "The Inner Light" winning the 1993 Hugo and
> > added character descriptions to the article for "You're Under Arrest!".)
> >
> >
> > I don't know how to start a new article, but there are several I want to
> > do. I need to do a little research on them, but what I would like to do
> > is:
> >
> > Notable Filk Artists:
> >
> > Heather Alexander
> > Cecilia Eng
> > Dr. James Robinson (fromerly Dr. Jane Robinson)
> >
> > Card Captor Sakura character proflies:
> >
> > Sakura Kinomoto
> > Li Syaoran
> > Tomoyo Daidouji
> > Yukito Tsukishiro/Yue
> > Eriol Hiiragizawa
> > Touya Kinomoto
> > Kaho Mizuki
> > Keroberos (Kero-chan)
> > Ruby Moon and Spinel Sun
> >
> > Role Playing Game Titles (if they aren't already there)
> >
> > Champions
> > Big Eyes, Small Mouth
> >
> > Filk Albums
> >
> > Cold Iron (Leslie Fish)
> > The Undertaker's Horse (Leslie Fish)
> > Chickasaw Mountain (Leslie Fish)
> > Firestorm; Songs of the Third World War (leslie Fish)
> > Fossil Fever (Dr. James Robinson)
> >
> > Fandom Terminology
> >
> > E+T
> > Lemon
> > Relationshippers
> >
> > Any suggestions on how to go about doing this once the research is done.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > WikiEN-l mailing list
> > WikiEN-l at Wikipedia.org
> > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
> >
>
>


from_name: Delphine Ménard

subject: [Foundation-l] UNESCO

body:
Question:

I am part of an organisation that's "recognized" by the UNESCO,
although not "funded" by it, which helps us a lot fundraising money as
it gives a moral caution. It happens under those directives:
http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=10631&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html
I believe that is something the Wikimedia Foundation should try and
achieve.

Thoughts?

Delphine
~notafish


subject: [Foundation-l] UNESCO


subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Sanger's memoirs

body:
On 4/22/05 7:19 AM, "David Gerard" <fun at thingy.apana.org.au> wrote:

> The Cunctator (cunctator at kband.com) [050422 20:47]:
>
>> It's really too bad that "How to Destroy Wikipedia" seems to have gone down
>> the Memory Hole, because it's a fine example of me pouring gasoline on a
>> fire (in short, it was the inflammatory, negative version of "How to Build
>> Wikipedia" but you'd have to read it to understand) out of frustration and
>> an unfortunate tendency toward sarcastic fatalism.
>
>
> http://nostalgia.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Cunctator/How_to_destroy_
> Wikipedia&action=history
>
Whew--that was really abrasive, nigh abusive. What was interesting is that
even though I totally pissed off and hurt both Jimbo and Larry with it, I
was able to mend fences with Jimbo once I convinced him I didn't mean to
attack him personally, was sorry for hurting him, and had both honest
concerns and a desire to make Wikipedia better. I was never able to convince
Larry I wasn't attacking him personally.

The commentary/discussion page linked to Destroy demonstrates the positive
tenor of the community then, I'd say.


from_name: Charles Matthews

body:
Michael P. Hopcroft wrote

> Hi! I just signed up for my Wikipedia account and have done my first two
> edits. I don't know how to start a new article, but there are several I
> want to do. I need to do a little research on them, but what I would like
> to do is:

Hello and welcome. It is easy to start articles.  Just type in something
like [[my new article]] in any page, and you will see a displayed 'red link'
(or possibly 'blue link', if the named article is there).  Click it and you
will get an edit box.  There is some important advice about copyright, in
particular, below the box.  We encourage editors to 'learn by doing': save
your article, check the box to get it on your watchlist, and see it evolve
as others work on the format, add to it, and so on.

There are plenty of style guides on the site.  But as we say, 'Be bold'.
Newbies are very much tolerated.

Charles


from_name: Phil Boswell

subject: [Wikitech-l] Re: Test wiki

body:
> Brion Vibber wrote:
> I've got a 1.5 test wiki now up for you kind folks to use and abuse:
> http://test.leuksman.com/

Liking the new features, but the account creation totally boggled me. I
entered my name, and my favourite "temporary" password, and clicked "Create
new account". Without warning me, it sent me an email with a *new* password.

The confusing thing is that it would seem that the system remembered the
password I had entered previously, so when I tried to change it from the
gash password from the email, it complained...I only found out by trial and
error that my original password was operational.

Is this actually a change in policy or is this just how the test system is
set up?
--
Phil
[[en:User:Phil Boswell]]


from_name: Richard Holton

subject: [WikiEN-l] vandalism on wikipage "Automated Transfer Vehicle"

body:
On 4/21/05, . <uffiziprado at tiscali.it> wrote:
> Hi, I've consistently updated this wikipage by supporting edits with
> European Space Agency external links.
>
> Could you please ban user 68.165.99.171
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=68.165.99.171>
> who is coninuously and arbitrarily editing the page without a single
> external reference?
>
> thanks
>
> Jovibon
> _______________________________________________

Please see [[Wikipedia:Vandalism]] and [[Wikipedia:Resolving
disputes]]. As far as I can see, there is nothing here that warrants a
block.

--Rich Holton

[[W:en:User:Rholton]]


from_name: Robert

subject: [WikiEN-l] Opus Dei article

body:
The Opus Dei article is a total propagdana piece.  It makes
no attempt at all  to objectively describe Opus Dei.
Rather, it reads like an Opus Dei proselytizing tract.

There are many serious, sustained and important criticisms
of Opus Dei, especially from Catholics!  There are similar
criticisms from many people worried about their cult-like
behaviour.  However, the article only minimally mentions
these controversies, glosses over them, and then disposes
of them with generic apologetics.  That style of writing
violates our NPOV policy.

The article, as it stood when I read it, is an embarassment
to any work that claims to be an encyclopedia.  The
problems with it are not merely that it is part of a "work
under construction".  The problems are:

* It represents agressive religious proselytizing which
clearly flouts NPOV.

* It offers no serious academic or critical-historical
analysis.

* It minimizes and makes apologetics for the vast amount of
criticism in such a way that one might rightfully call the
article "censored."

Robert (RK)

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from_name: noahp4485 at aol.com

subject: [WikiEN-l] Abusive Blocking

body:
For the record, I never tried to get another user's User ID and account "moved" (moved where?). I have no idea what you are talking about, Rick K.

NP
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick <giantsrick13 at yahoo.com>
To: slimvirgin at gmail.com; English Wikipedia <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
Sent: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:54:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Abusive Blocking

--- slimvirgin at gmail.com wrote:
> On 4/20/05, noahp4485 at aol.com <noahp4485 at aol.com>
> wrote:
> > I honestly believe many admins are abusing their
> blocking privileges
> > and that the arbitration committee is not working.
> Here is what has
> > happened to me. I have written and edited NUMEROUS
> articles, you can
> > see a list on user:Please Don't Block. Most of
> these were edited under
> > the name "Noah Peters."
>
> I wrote to Noah about this issue a couple of weeks
> ago because I
> stumbled on it and it seemed odd. He replied to me
> this evening and
> asked me to delete the user and talk pages for all
> these accounts,
> which I have now done (with the exception of the
> talk page of Noah
> Peters, which can't be deleted because of some
> technical problem, so
> I've blanked and protected it instead).
>
> I've advised Noah to start from scratch with a new
> user account so his
> IP is not visible, and then he'll be able to rebuild
> his profile. So
> long as he sticks to Wikipedia policies, he
> shouldn't have any
> problems.
>
> Sarah

So long as he doesn't try to get another User's User
ID and account moved, like he tried once before.

RickK

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subject: [Wikitech-l] Re: Re: Test wiki

body:
"Brion Vibber" <brion at pobox.com> wrote in message
news:4268C314.6060602 at pobox.com...
> Phil Boswell wrote:
> > Liking the new features, but the account creation totally boggled me. I
> > entered my name, and my favourite "temporary" password, and clicked
> > "Create
> > new account". Without warning me, it sent me an email with a *new*
> > password.
> >
> > The confusing thing is that it would seem that the system remembered the
> > password I had entered previously, so when I tried to change it from the
> > gash password from the email, it complained...I only found out by trial
> > and
> > error that my original password was operational.
> >
> > Is this actually a change in policy or is this just how the test system
> > is
> > set up?
>
> It's supposed to be an e-mail verification system, but it's pretty badly
> broken and needs to be replaced with one that actually works in a
> reasonable manner.

Oh, it worked fine...it was simply that it failed to tell me properly that
my original password would be restored just as soon as the garbage one had
been used to verify the account creation.

The system seems to work OK, it just needs better instructions. Obviously
there might be more technical problems underneath the bonnet :-)
--
Phil
[[en:User:Phil Boswell]]


from_name: Yann Forget

subject: [Foundation-l] UNESCO

body:
hI,

Le Friday 22 April 2005 09:10, Delphine M?nard a ?crit :
> Question:
>
> I am part of an organisation that's "recognized" by the UNESCO,
> although not "funded" by it, which helps us a lot fundraising money as
> it gives a moral caution. It happens under those directives:
> http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=10631&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION
>=201.html I believe that is something the Wikimedia Foundation should try
> and achieve.

Yes, I?advocated this since a long time.
Of course, I am willing to help for whatever I?can.

BTW, we are now listed here (I talked on the phone with Jean-Claude Dauphin
who manages this):
http://www.unesco.org/cgi-bin/webworld/portal_freesoftware/cgi/page.cgi?g=Information/Websites/index.shtml&d=1

> Thoughts?
>
> Delphine
> ~notafish

Regards,

Yann

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subject: [Foundation-l] UNESCO


from_name: Gerard Meijssen

subject: [Foundation-l] UNESCO

body:
Delphine M?nard wrote:

>Question:
>
>I am part of an organisation that's "recognized" by the UNESCO,
>although not "funded" by it, which helps us a lot fundraising money as
>it gives a moral caution. It happens under those directives:
>http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=10631&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html
>I believe that is something the Wikimedia Foundation should try and
>achieve.
>
>Thoughts?
>
>Delphine
>~notafish
>
Hoi,
One subject that is covered on many wikipedia's in the World Heritage
Fund (also UNESCO). I have been trying for some time to get us a
"partner" status with them. I am at the stage that they have
acknowledged that I requested this and that they are considering it. I
have made a spiel on how well covered the world heritage sites already
are..

I am in favour of being a "regognised" party but I think we should try
to aim for more than that. :)

As to us not getting the IFAP money, is their a motivation? I would like
to learn from it.

Thanks,
   Gerard


subject: [Foundation-l] UNESCO


list: textbook-l

from_name: Tomer Chachamu

subject: [Textbook-l] Executive inaction?

body:
On 22/04/05, kelvSYC <kelvsyc at shaw.ca> wrote:
> For some reason, I have the impression that important administrative
> things take too long to do in Wikibooks.
>
> Is there something going on that I should be aware of, or is it that
> Wikibooks really is way too undermanned in terms of people in positions
> of authority?

Undermanned overall. Definately.


from_name: Mark Williamson

body:
You've written things before that don't merit reply, does that make
you blockable? Not really.

Anyhow, perhaps before calling me a troll again you should take a look
at the sequence of events: I make a passing remark, Jimbo makes a
long-winded objection, and in a private e-mail says "this is simply
not true and I ... strongly urge you not to say things that you don't
know about ... I'm shocked at your behavior" as if I had just said
that Wikipedia were founded by terrorists.

You act as if my message was the first in the thread, but in reality I
was defending my original - and very short - message against Jimbo's
accusations that it's totally false and that I don't know what I'm
talking about.

As Anthere notes, she brings it up in all interviews. That must mean
that it's at least somewhat significant, in her mind, to the history
of the organisation, or at least that it's better to divulge
everything before somebody asks embarassing questions. Jimbo however
seems to take the opposite stance - Bomis isn't really involved in
Wikipedia, and even then Bomis is mostly just a search engine, and the
porn is just a little footnote which nobody really notices or which
isn't really important.

Mark

On 22/04/05, Daniel Mayer <maveric149 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Could somebody block this troll from this list? What he just wrote does not
> even merit reply.
>
> -- mav
>
> --- Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Oh, come on.
> >
> > > For the entire history of Bomis from day one until the current day, the
> > > percentage of revenue that comes from adult businesses has been under
> > > 10%.  The bulk of the revenue of Bomis today comes from advertising
> > > syndicated from Google; in the past it was at various times Overture and
> > > NBCi which provided the bulk of the revenue.
> >
> > "Under 10%" is code language for "Over 5%". Bomis is easily
> > "legitimised" by adding tonnes of search-engine sponsored results,
> > directory type stuff, syndicated adds, and the like, just to 'balance
> > out' the pornographic content.
> >
> > Many pornographic websites which are more explicitly pornographic than
> > Bomis also have a search engine/syndicated advertising 'front', from
> > which they derive the majority of their revenue, but...
> >
> > > Far from being a "secret", Bomis is a public website that anyone can
> > > look at anytime they like.  If Bomis is pornography so is much of what
> > > happens in R rated movies.
> >
> > I never said Bomis was a secret. I simply said that the fact that
> > Bomis peddles pornography, and that the history of Wikipedia is
> > intricately intertwined with Bomis, is kept a secret of sorts. Read
> > the Wikipedia articles on the issue, you will not see much mention of
> > pornography, but go to #wikipedia on freenode and you will hear a much
> > different story.
> >
> > And I remind you that in many R-rated movies, there are... well, you
> > can find that information at Wikipedia.
> >
> > > Bomis _is_ a brand which is very different from the Wikipedia brand,
> > > which is why I have always insisted on keeping the two very separate.
> >
> > Yes, but is not Bomis the ultimate origin of Nupedia which is the
> > ultimate origin of Wikipedia? You have said many things in this
> > discussion confirming that Nupedia and at first Wikipedia were both
> > Bomis projects. Sure, there was never a sign posted at Wikipedia that
> > said "Come Buy Porn from Bomis!", but the fact that much of the
> > funding for Wikipedia comes directly or indirectly (ie, through you
> > and other donors who profit from Bomis) from a business which makes
> > "less than 10%" of its revenue through pornography.
> >
> > So while in your mind they may be very seperate, this is not something
> > that everybody follows along with, similar to your delusion that you
> > aren't a sort of god-king but rather just a sort of "amicus
> > vicipaedii" who is respected so much people tend to do what you say. I
> > hope that eventually you will catch on to the reality of the issue -
> > what real people actually really think, their real motivations rather
> > than those you imagine for them, and that what people think and what
> > you would like people to think are often very different.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > --
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body:
> No, you called it a "semi-secret"; is that really that different? I'm
> not sure it even strictly makes sense as a term (a bit like
> "semi-unique"):
> "And there is a little semi-secret that many people don't know: Bomis
> is in the business of pornography (though, to be fair, they also do
> other things)."

The thing is, I didn't say Bomis itself was a semi-secret, as Jimbo
implied. What I said and what was meant by it is that Bomis peddles
porn, and that you don't see that mentioned in any Wikipedia
history-ofs - what do they call Bomis, and how do they describe it?
Most of those descriptions could more aptly apply to sites that didn't
have a "Babe report".

And I wonder, is the Babe Report's "tim" the same tim as Tim Shell?

> > Sure, there was never a sign posted at Wikipedia that
> > said "Come Buy Porn from Bomis!", but the fact that much of the
> > funding for Wikipedia comes directly or indirectly (ie, through you
> > and other donors who profit from Bomis) from a business which makes
> > "less than 10%" of its revenue through pornography.
>
> So, really, why does it matter? Who cares? If you can point to a
> single editorial decision, a single carrot or stick offered by Bomis,
> or by Jimmy or any of its employees, that suggests that this
> relationship has ever, in any way, had an influence on the structure,
> content, community, or values of Wikipedia, then I will accept that it
> is at least historically noteworthy. Until then, I really don't see
> the need to continue to bring it into discussions.

"the need to bring it into discussions"... There is no need. This only
has to do with the history of Wikipedia, not the actual present
content or structure.

> I don't know whether Bomis should be classed as a porn portal with a
> respectable front, or a general portal with a seedy backroom, or
> neither, or something in between. And, to be perfectly honest, I don't
> care - unless someone can demonstrate to me that it has made *any*
> difference to Wikipedia besides giving its detractors something
> unanswerably trivial to talk about.

Yes, I'm guessing without Bomis Premium and the Bomis Babes, there
would be at least a few dollars less in funding available to the
Wikimedia foundation.

Not that I personally care about the explicit nature of materials -
any man on this list who denies viewing pornography at least once
every couple of months is probably either lying, involved in a
gratifying relationship, or doesn't have many hormones - but I favour
a policy of full disclosure and feel it is better to make the fact
well-known up front rather than having a reporter from a seedy tabloid
making big money off of it later because nobody really ever found out.

Mark

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from_name: Sean Barrett

subject: [WikiEN-l] Abusive Blocking

body:
> I have noting that you belong to several sections of society not
> known for there honesty. You statements are all based on your faith
> that you are right, It is unimaginable to you that you are
> wrong. The same kind of fact free faith you take to church on
> Sunday.

Religiously bigoted personal attacks are not allowed.  Desist.

--
 Sean Barrett
 sean at epoptic.com


from_name: Anthere

subject: [Foundation-l] Re: UNESCO

body:
Gerard Meijssen a ?crit:
> Delphine M?nard wrote:
>
>> Question:
>>
>> I am part of an organisation that's "recognized" by the UNESCO,
>> although not "funded" by it, which helps us a lot fundraising money as
>> it gives a moral caution. It happens under those directives:
>> http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=10631&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html
>> I believe that is something the Wikimedia Foundation should try and
>> achieve.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Delphine
>> ~notafish

I think Aurevilly also said he had some possible connexions there.

> Hoi,
> One subject that is covered on many wikipedia's in the World Heritage
> Fund (also UNESCO). I have been trying for some time to get us a
> "partner" status with them. I am at the stage that they have
> acknowledged that I requested this and that they are considering it. I
> have made a spiel on how well covered the world heritage sites already are..
>
> I am in favour of being a "regognised" party but I think we should try
> to aim for more than that. :)
>
> As to us not getting the IFAP money, is their a motivation? I would like
> to learn from it.

Probably the number of requests... :-)

> Thanks,
>   Gerar
> d


subject: [Foundation-l] Re: UNESCO


subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: New contributor and article plans

body:
"Fred Bauder" <fredbaud at ctelco.net> wrote in
message news:BE8E4969.E9C3%fredbaud at ctelco.net...
[snip]
> An alternative would be to carefully study all the Wikipedia policies
> before
> making any edits, but even our policy wonks couldn't stand that.

The main problem being that by the time you finished reading all the policy
documents, the ones you read eariler would have been altered and new ones
would have been added to your list.

Oh, the joys of wiki :-)
--
Phil
[[en:User:Phil Boswell]]


from_name: John Bradley

subject: [WikiEN-l] Abusive Blocking

body:
It is firly common. I was chased around by Violet/Riga because she didn't
like me. She eventually persuaded another admin to block me for breaking
3RR, dispite the fact that I had not. When this was pointed out she claimed
I had still acted wrong and she refused to apologizes. It was impossible to
start an RFC against this person, as the admins now protect each other.

Then there is SnowSpinner, ignore him get blocked. Various admins
engage in the same kind of behaviour, but the arbcomm prevented me from
starting a complaint against him or them.

I have started the WLF and the PFLW in an attempt to reverse the
perversion of the system introduced by the ArbComm and various admins.
Who are basically so up tight because they have a very limited ability to c
control Wikipedia, what with DHCP etc.

Date sent:      	Thu, 21 Apr 2005 01:58:42 -0400
From:           	noahp4485 at aol.com
To:             	wikien-l at Wikipedia.org
Subject:        	[WikiEN-l] Abusive Blocking
Send reply to:  	English Wikipedia <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
	<mailto:wikien-l-request at Wikipedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
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> I honestly believe many admins are abusing their blocking privileges
> and that the arbitration committee is not working. Here is what has
> happened to me. I have written and edited NUMEROUS articles, you can
> see a list on user:Please Don't Block. Most of these were edited under
> the name "Noah Peters." In December and January I engaged in a heated
> contest with several other users over the Abraham Lincoln page, much of
> which I have written, over whether to include Lincoln's alleged
> homosexuality on the page. This provoked a long editing war which
> resulted in the material being deleted. After this, I started editing
> the "gays in Nazi Germany" article. These edits were in good faith. But
> one user, Apollomelos, a self-described homosexual, began smearing me
> with all sorts of false charges, including that I vandalized the
> Abraham Lincoln page (not true) and that I am a member of the Ku Klux
> Klan (also not true). I grew very alarmed at these allegations and
> requested my username be changed to "5440orFight," because "Noah
> Peters" is my real name and I don't want to get smeared with these
> charges. Well, the admins were totally insensitive to this desire and
> referred to "Noah Peters" repeatedly in a derisive way, many branding
> me a homophobe, and still do to this day even though the username is
> dead. Indeed, many admins have hurled false charges against that
> username to this day. For example, my userpage now says, "As Noah
> Peters he had a habit of reverting pages or removing the texts of
> others, was warned and switched to 5440orFight and got blocked by an
> Admin under that name for continuing the same practice." This is
> completely untrue, and yet whenever I try to change my userpage it gets
> changed back by some admin, and if I persist in trying to change it I
> am blocked.
>
>   Out of frustration with Apollomelos' charges, I had a fit of bad
> judgment and added the now-deleted "gay" template to various articles.
> I was promptly blocked by fvw, another homosexual administrator, who no
> longer works on wikipedia. Frustrated at the fact that my IP username
> page included charges against me that were not true yet kept being
> reverted back by various admins when I tried to delete them, I deleted
> fvw's page repeatedly in retaliation for my own inability to edit my
> personal page. I also made ill-tempered remarks to other admins who
> reverted my repeated attempts to delete my userpages. Meanwhile, my
> efforts to get my username changed have gone nowhere, and I panicked
> and emailed an admin to tell him to please delete my username; I didn't
> want my reputation ruined.
>
> Then, Apollomelos decides he wants to pursue arbitration against me,
> taking several of my quotes out of context and embellishing with false
> charges. I was never informed arbitration was being pursued against me,
> but it was. Apollomelos has done this to several other users; putting
> quotes out of context and making misleading edits and over-the-top
> allegations. He also does not allow edits to the gay-themed pages and
> smears anyone who changes these pages as "homophobes" if they write
> anything he doesn't agree with. Read his talk page. In another fit of
> ill-temper, to combat his own charges against me, I created
> user:Apollomelos2 and user:Apollomelos3. I can't delete Apollomelos2,
> even though it was blocked as soon as I created it, it must remain,
> "Abusive sockpuppet of Noah Peters."
>
> Now, whenever I try to get a new username, it is blocked for being an
> "abusive sockpuppet of Noah Peters." Whenever I try to delete the pages
> of my old usernames which bear the title, "abusive Sockpuppet of Noah
> Peters" (never mind that "Noah Peters" no longer exists) and which are
> now blocked, they are reverted back; I have absolutely no control over
> them; they must remain as monuments to Apollomelos' false charges and
> my bad response to them. The admins don't understand why I have to get
> a new username and instead assume I am creating a username for
> vandalism. So I can't have a new username. This is really frustrating.
> It is also frustrating that the "Noah Peters" username has attracted a
> false reputation for bad and misleading edits when all of my edits
> under that name, except for some ill-temper that was provoked, was of
> strerling quality.
>
> The latest thing is that I chose the username, Jesus H. Christ III.
> Refdoc blocked this permanently on account of it being offensive;
> though if I had known it would be offensive, which I did not (Jesus
> Christ is a cultural figure too, I didn't know that anyone on wikipedia
> would care), I wouldn't have damned well picked it in the first place.
> No one will ever be able to edit under it again unless Refdoc wills it
> to be so. I can't delete the userpage either; it must be reverted back.
> I can't delete the false charges against me from any userpage; they
> must remain because the admins said so.
>
> I then picked a new username and complained about my treatment on
> Refdoc's talk page. His response was to ban my new username for, of
> couse, "obvious reasons."
>
> I have never been able to communicate with anyone on wikipedia; no
> human interface to explain what has happened, to explain that I have
> added a lot to wikipedia and want to be forgiven. The first instinct is
> always to ban me; always to revert without asking me; always to assume
> my bad motives; never to communicate.
>
> I want all references to "Noah Peters" deleted. The username is banned
> permanently and I want admins to stop damn well referencing it. I want
> to be anonymous with an anonymous username not smeared as a sockpuppet
> so I can edit without fear to my reputation. And this process has been
> hellish for me. This is a community of mistrust and anger, of abusive
> edit wars, of sarcasm, of contempt; not of support.
>
> NP
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>

		Yours

		John Bradley

Loc: 	Flat 15/22 Gambier Terrace, Liverpool, L1 7BL, UK.
Phone:	+44 (0)151 708 7238
Email:  john at ontobus.co.uk
WWW:	www.ontobus.co.uk


from_name: Poor, Edmund W

subject: [WikiEN-l] Opus Dei article

body:
> The Opus Dei article is a total propagdana piece.  It makes
> no attempt at all  to objectively describe Opus Dei.
> Rather, it reads like an Opus Dei proselytizing tract.
>
> There are many serious, sustained and important criticisms
> of Opus Dei, especially from Catholics!  There are similar
> criticisms from many people worried about their cult-like
> behaviour.  However, the article only minimally mentions
> these controversies, glosses over them, and then disposes of
> them with generic apologetics.  That style of writing
> violates our NPOV policy.
>
> The article, as it stood when I read it, is an embarassment
> to any work that claims to be an encyclopedia.  The
> problems with it are not merely that it is part of a "work
> under construction".  The problems are:
>
> * It represents agressive religious proselytizing which
> clearly flouts NPOV.
>
> * It offers no serious academic or critical-historical analysis.
>
> * It minimizes and makes apologetics for the vast amount of
> criticism in such a way that one might rightfully call the
> article "censored."
>
>
> Robert (RK)

So when is your ban going to end, so you can log in and help fix the
article? (Or at least, request early parole from the arbcom to write
comments on talk pages!)

Helpfully,

Uncle Ed


subject:
[Wikipedia-l] Different community dynamics for this Mediterranian
	Wikipedia

body:
Hi all,

I thought you guys might be very interested to hear this.

The first Wikipedia to have a "meetup" nearly as soon as it was
founded was the Maltese Wikipedia.

The reason for this, as some of the more geographically-inclined may
guess, is that Malta is a nation of islands, and most people live on
the main island.

So, somebody suggested on the mainpage that they meet somewhere, and
everybody worked it into their schedules and met -- the _very next
day_.

We are talking about 12 people, all the current inhabitants of this Wikipedia.

The community dynamic is very different from any existing Wikipedia
because these people have all seen each other, and if nessecary can
meet face-to-face to discuss problems without much hassle.

I recognise that a similar type of thing exists on the Icelandic
Wikipedia, and perhaps on the Faroese Wikipedia when its community
grows larger, but the unique position of Malta was also responsible
for its sudden growth from 0 to 12 active editors - people just told
other people, and within the span of a week all these people were
already involved.

I imagine that this is the ideal environment for a Wikipedia, because
it is easier to solve problems, I think, when you know all the people
and can discuss issues in person over a latte.

It will be interesting to see how this community develops!

Mark

--
SI HOC LEGERE SCIS NIMIVM ERVDITIONIS HABES
QVANTVM MATERIAE MATERIETVR MARMOTA MONAX SI MARMOTA MONAX MATERIAM
POSSIT MATERIARI
ESTNE VOLVMEN IN TOGA AN SOLVM TIBI LIBET ME VIDERE


from_name: Erik Zachte

subject: [Textbook-l] Executive inaction?

body:
I really don't know.
I'm not active on wikibooks myself.
Just run stats for it.

-----Original Message-----
From: textbook-l-bounces at wikimedia.org
[mailto:textbook-l-bounces at wikimedia.org]On Behalf Of kelvSYC
Sent: Friday, 22 April 2005 08:43
To: Wikimedia textbook discussion
Subject: [Textbook-l] Executive inaction?

For some reason, I have the impression that important administrative
things take too long to do in Wikibooks.  For example, pages are on vfd
or speedy for months without any resolution.  A lot still has to be
transwikied out of en.wikibooks and into their language books, and
there are few who would discuss policy such as a uniform book naming
scheme (much less few who could get to any consensus or make every book
conform to such a standard).

Is there something going on that I should be aware of, or is it that
Wikibooks really is way too undermanned in terms of people in positions
of authority?

[[en:b:User:kelvSYC]], [[en:w:User:kelvSYC]], [[en:wikt:User:kelvSYC]]

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subject: [Foundation-l] Re: UNESCO

body:
Sj wrote:

>On 4/22/05, Anthere <anthere9 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Gerard Meijssen a ?crit:
>>
>>
>>>Delphine M?nard wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>I think Aurevilly also said he had some possible connexions there.
>>
>>
>
>Official recognition would be lovely, and fitting.  Making and
>maintaining contact with national UNESCO commissions would also be a
>useful step.
>
>
>
>>>Hoi,
>>>One subject that is covered on many wikipedia's in the World Heritage
>>>Fund (also UNESCO). I have been trying for some time to get us a
>>>"partner" status with them. I am at the stage that they have
>>>acknowledged that I requested this and that they are considering it. I
>>>have made a spiel on how well covered the world heritage sites already are..
>>>
>>>I am in favour of being a "regognised" party but I think we should try
>>>to aim for more than that. :)
>>>
>>>As to us not getting the IFAP money, is their a motivation? I would like
>>>to learn from it.
>>>
>>>
>>Probably the number of requests... :-)
>>
>>
>
>Or the fact that the submitted proposal did not claim to address any
>of the three "main priorities" of this rfp.  The reviewers may not
>have bothered to read the rest.
>
Hoi,
I disagree that the "main priorities" were not addressed. I do not want
to speculate so I am interested in KNOWING the motivation. We cannot
answer this question ourselves.
Thanks,
    GerardM


subject: [Foundation-l] Re: UNESCO


from_name: Dirk Ingo Franke

body:
At 15:24 22.04.2005 +0700, you wrote:
>Were is this alleged pornographic content on Bomis, apart from some nude shots I cannot find anything. I am mightily interested in finding this alleged pornography :)

dito. tell me if you found it :-) Oh zees crasy Americans. Zey are so Vonderful.

dirk

[[de:Benutzer:Southpark]]
[[en:User:Zeitgeist]]
[[meta:User:Southgeist]]


subject: [Textbook-l] Executive inaction?

body:
This is funny. Me posting to a mailing list that I have nothing to
contribute to the matter at hand.
I thought I replied to a private mail :) Erik Zachte


from_name: Matt R

subject: [WikiEN-l] Abusive Blocking

body:
 --- John Bradley <john at ontobus.co.uk> wrote:
> It is firly common. I was chased around by Violet/Riga because she didn't
> like me. She eventually persuaded another admin to block me for breaking
> 3RR, dispite the fact that I had not. When this was pointed out she claimed
> I had still acted wrong and she refused to apologizes. It was impossible to
> start an RFC against this person, as the admins now protect each other.

Nope. You were chased around by Violet/Riga (and everyone else) because you
were making lots of abusive personal attacks.

> Then there is SnowSpinner, ignore him get blocked. Various admins
> engage in the same kind of behaviour, but the arbcomm prevented me from
> starting a complaint against him or them.

Nope. You were put under a temporary injunction by the Arbcom because you were
behaving badly (personal attacks and listing user's user pages for deletion).

> I have started the WLF and the PFLW in an attempt to reverse the
> perversion of the system introduced by the ArbComm and various admins.
> Who are basically so up tight because they have a very limited ability to c
> control Wikipedia, what with DHCP etc.

Nope. You have been banned, quite fairly. Attempts to circumvent your ban will
not help your case.

-- Matt
[[User:Matt Crypto]]

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com


from_name: Christophe Truffier

subject: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki and PostgreSQL

body:
Hello,

I would like to know if there is anybody who's going to merge with
PostgreSQL server. I want to use MediaWiki with PostgreSQL but actually
the main problem is that I've got lots of errors...

I'm about to make it work, therefore I'll make patch. If anybody have
tried to do so I'd like to read experience about it.

Regards

--
Christophe Truffier
UIN #39872819
http://www.nah-ko.org/ - http://www.zrx21.com/

De l'usage du couriel:
http://www.usenet-fr.net/fr-chartes/rfc1855.html


from_name: Rowan Collins

body:
On 4/22/05, Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com> wrote:

> I never said Bomis was a secret.

No, you called it a "semi-secret"; is that really that different? I'm
not sure it even strictly makes sense as a term (a bit like
"semi-unique"):
"And there is a little semi-secret that many people don't know: Bomis
is in the business of pornography (though, to be fair, they also do
other things)."

> Sure, there was never a sign posted at Wikipedia that
> said "Come Buy Porn from Bomis!", but the fact that much of the
> funding for Wikipedia comes directly or indirectly (ie, through you
> and other donors who profit from Bomis) from a business which makes
> "less than 10%" of its revenue through pornography.

So, really, why does it matter? Who cares? If you can point to a
single editorial decision, a single carrot or stick offered by Bomis,
or by Jimmy or any of its employees, that suggests that this
relationship has ever, in any way, had an influence on the structure,
content, community, or values of Wikipedia, then I will accept that it
is at least historically noteworthy. Until then, I really don't see
the need to continue to bring it into discussions.

I don't know whether Bomis should be classed as a porn portal with a
respectable front, or a general portal with a seedy backroom, or
neither, or something in between. And, to be perfectly honest, I don't
care - unless someone can demonstrate to me that it has made *any*
difference to Wikipedia besides giving its detractors something
unanswerably trivial to talk about.

--
Rowan Collins BSc
[IMSoP]


from_name: Walter van Kalken

body:
Were is this alleged pornographic content on Bomis, apart from some nude
shots I cannot find anything. I am mightily interested in finding this
alleged pornography :)

W


subject: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki and PostgreSQL

body:
Brion Vibber a ?crit :
> Christophe Truffier wrote:
>
>> I would like to know if there is anybody who's going to merge with
>> PostgreSQL server. I want to use MediaWiki with PostgreSQL but actually
>> the main problem is that I've got lots of errors...
>>
>> I'm about to make it work, therefore I'll make patch. If anybody have
>> tried to do so I'd like to read experience about it.
>
>
> You might want to start with the in-progress patches at
> http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1709

Yes, of course !
Thank you for this quick answer.

CU

--
Christophe Truffier
UIN #39872819
http://www.nah-ko.org/ - http://www.zrx21.com/

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subject: [WikiEN-l] Abusive Blocking

body:
Here we have a typical integrity free reply from one of the usual candidates.

You claim about Violet Trick assumes that you know which block is being
talked about. So you will now produce a pointer to the 3RR page, if you
don't it will be a sign that yet again, you are demonstrating a lack of
integrity.

You can also explain why VT is allowed to corrupt data in articles to make
his or her point?

It's strange though that it was Snowspiner who original blocked me, long
before the temporary injunction, but why should little fact get in the way.

I think it is everyone who cares about Wikipedia as an encyclopedia rather
than a social club stepped forward and be counted.

As I have explained to you before, several times, you aren't interesting in
the contents of arguments but in how well the adhere to you idea of the
correct ritual, it is what I would  expect from a Posh, privately educated
practising Christian.

To be honest Matt your not in a position to know what will or wont help my
case, you don't even know what my case is. You don't have the intelligence
to work it out, you just acting in a knee jerk way to protect you POV and try
and pretend that it is not just you POV but some universal one.

Date sent:      	Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:54:04 +0100 (BST)
From:           	Matt R <matt_crypto at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject:        	Re: [WikiEN-l] Abusive Blocking
To:             	English Wikipedia <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>,
  	John Bradley <john at ontobus.co.uk>
Copies to:      	Send reply to:  	English Wikipedia <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
	<mailto:wikien-l-request at Wikipedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
	<mailto:wikien-l-request at Wikipedia.org?subject=subscribe>

>  --- John Bradley <john at ontobus.co.uk> wrote:
> > It is firly common. I was chased around by Violet/Riga because she didn't
> > like me. She eventually persuaded another admin to block me for breaking
> > 3RR, dispite the fact that I had not. When this was pointed out she claimed
> > I had still acted wrong and she refused to apologizes. It was impossible to
> > start an RFC against this person, as the admins now protect each other.
>
> Nope. You were chased around by Violet/Riga (and everyone else) because you
> were making lots of abusive personal attacks.
>
> > Then there is SnowSpinner, ignore him get blocked. Various admins
> > engage in the same kind of behaviour, but the arbcomm prevented me from
> > starting a complaint against him or them.
>
> Nope. You were put under a temporary injunction by the Arbcom because you were
> behaving badly (personal attacks and listing user's user pages for deletion).
>
> > I have started the WLF and the PFLW in an attempt to reverse the
> > perversion of the system introduced by the ArbComm and various admins.
> > Who are basically so up tight because they have a very limited ability to c
> > control Wikipedia, what with DHCP etc.
>
> Nope. You have been banned, quite fairly. Attempts to circumvent your ban will
> not help your case.
>
> -- Matt
> [[User:Matt Crypto]]
>
>
> Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

>

		Yours

		John Bradley

Loc: 	Flat 15/22 Gambier Terrace, Liverpool, L1 7BL, UK.
Phone:	+44 (0)151 708 7238
Email:  john at ontobus.co.uk
WWW:	www.ontobus.co.uk


from_name: Jean-Christophe Chazalette

subject: [Foundation-l] Important AND urgent

body:
Gee, I was translating my prose in English badly and slowly for days. Now,
thanks to Anthere note, it's all done, even better in English than in French
:)

I'm amazed Wikicommons could be nominated but - as you could see in my
article - in my opinion, Commons is indeed the very place where the
international wikimedians try to work together.

viiy ~~Jean-Christophe Chazalette

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthere" <anthere9 at yahoo.com>
To: <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
Cc: <wikifr-l at wikimedia.org>; <wikien-l at wikimedia.org>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 1:11 PM
Subject: [Foundation-l] Important AND urgent

| JoiIto just told me we could be nominated for the Ars
| Electronica digital community prize for Wikicommons.
|
| Well, we were nominated but nobody had accepted the
| nomination till today (last day), so we were on verge
| of being rejected.
|
| I just accepted the nomination on behalf of the
| community.
|
| As a reminder, we got this prize last year for
| wikipedia community.
| It is worth presenting wikicommmons, as the community
| and the interaction between editors is significantly
| different than on Wikipedia, in particular due to
| multilingualism. Actually, Wikicommons might be the
| ultimate type of digital community !
|
| Now, we have about 24 hours to provide information
| about wikicommons.
|
| The good news is that Villy recently wrote a text
| about wikicommons for Quarto. But he wrote it in
| french. Part was translated, but need copyediting.
| Other parts were not translated.
|
| Please HELP fix the page till tomorrow and improve it
| if you feel it necessary (add pictures, logos...).
|
| This is both IMPORTANT AND URGENT.
|
| I hope some of you can help.
|
| Thanks a lot in advance.
|
| Anthere
|
| (and thanks to villy)
|
|
| http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Anthere/wikicommons_overview
|
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subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: [Foundation-l] Important AND urgent


subject: [Foundation-l] Important AND urgent


from_name: Charles Matthews

subject: [WikiEN-l] Contribution

body:
Michael Stojakovic wrote

>On your "List of Serbs" page, there are a few glaring omissions I wish to
>bring to your attention.

Michael, as you perhaps know, the Wikipedia is an entirely volunteer site,
and anyone can edit it.  I'll copy what you wrote to the [[List of Serbs]]
page's discussion page.  There is no reason at all for you not to make
changes yourself, taking into account any comments those may bring from
other editors.

Charles


from_name: Brion Vibber

subject:
[Wikitech-l] Square brackets in template arguments and a big
	question

body:
Tony Sidaway wrote:
> On English Wikipedia, we use a template "copyvio".  It has an argument
> "url" which is used to display a link to the original online article which
> has been copied.
> The text of {{copyvio}} is available at:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Copyvio
> An invocation failed for the URL
> "http://www.privacyinternational.org/article.shtml?cmd[347]=x-347-65428".
> After some messing around we worked out that the problem was the embedded
> square brackets.

This has been reported as bug 1951:
http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1951

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
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subject: [WikiEN-l] Abusive Blocking

body:
 --- John Bradley <john at ontobus.co.uk> wrote:
> You claim about Violet Trick ...explain why VT is allowed to corrupt data in
> articles ...it was Snowspiner who original blocked me...
> (trimmed various accusations)

Etc, etc, etc. Besides the fact that you've never presented any evidence for
these various claims, you're following a familiar pattern here, Irate. Rather
than acknowledging any wrongdoing on your own part, you're employing the tired
trick of showering myriad accusations on everyone else. Remember, adults take
responsibility for their own actions. Can you honestly believe that you've been
treated unfairly?

> As I have explained to you before, several times, you aren't interesting in
> the contents of arguments but in how well the adhere to you idea of the
> correct ritual, it is what I would  expect from a Posh, privately educated
> practising Christian.

LOL! Watch out, John, your prejudices are showing...

> To be honest Matt your not in a position to know what will or wont help my
> case, you don't even know what my case is.

A nutcase! A nutcase!

(Sorry about that, I can't resist a good(?) pun!)

> You don't have the intelligence to work it out, you just acting in a knee
> jerk way to protect you POV and try and pretend that it is not just you
> POV but some universal one.

A hint: if you're going to make comments about someone's intelligence, make
sure that your spelling and grammar are top-notch. Otherwise, you open yourself
up to, er, cheap shots ;-)

-- Matt
[[User:Matt Crypto]]

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from_name: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason

subject: [Wikitech-l] EXIF data display

body:
Just came across this thread.

After Magnus initially wrote the Exif support I rewrote the Exif
parsing part of it using php's internal exif libaries, the old code
was 1500 lines and we're doing the same thing in ~100 lines now, that
rewrite is already live on the testwiki.

It still needs a bit of spit & polish (which I'm working on, see
http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1947)

You might also be interested in the Ogg metadata bug:
http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1948


from_name: kelvSYC

subject: [Textbook-l] Executive inaction?

body:
On Apr 22, 2005, at 4:55 PM, Tomer Chachamu wrote:

> On 23 Apr 2005 00:24:43 +0200, Manuel GR <mgrojo at ya.com> wrote:
>> Probably Wikibooks needs more administrators or at least more active
>> ones.
>
> I think the main problem is that nobody is really interested in
> Wikibooks. They just want to contribute to their own group of (no more
> than) 5 books. Therefore, we also have no {{cleanup}}, low activity on
> VfD, etc.
>

I already put my name in the hat at [[Wikibooks:Requests for
adminship]], but even then requests are backlogged six months.  One
even withdrew their own request because it's taking so long to get
processed.


from_name: Sj

subject: [Foundation-l] Re: UNESCO

body:
On 4/22/05, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sj wrote:
> >>>I am in favour of being a "regognised" party but I think we should try
> >>>to aim for more than that. :)
> >>>
> >>>As to us not getting the IFAP money, is their a motivation? I would like
> >>>to learn from it.
> >>>
> >>Probably the number of requests... :-)
> >>
> >Or the fact that the submitted proposal did not claim to address any
> >of the three "main priorities" of this rfp.  The reviewers may not
> >have bothered to read the rest.
> >
> Hoi,
> I disagree that the "main priorities" were not addressed. I do not want
> to speculate so I am interested in KNOWING the motivation. We cannot
> answer this question ourselves.

Ah, forgive me if I was unclear.  I am using their terminology, not
speculating.  Section 3.1? of the application was entitled "Main
priorities"; in that section were three different 'priorities' with a
checkbox next to each one.  The application asked which if any of
these priorities the proposal addressed.  The submitted proposal did
not check any of them.  (It did check a number of the secondary, more
general, priorities further down the application form.)

--
+sj+


subject: [Foundation-l] Re: UNESCO


from_name: MaPhi Werner

subject: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki 1.5 release schedule

body:
Brion,

> Beta testing will begin on May 1, 2005.
> 1.5.0 release will be June 1, 2005.

thanks for the update.

So, out of naivity: how does the process work concerning the
incorporation of enhancement patches?

I continued my work on read-access controlled pages (see
http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2005-March/028105.html
for my first approach). The second version abandoned the idea of hiding
individual pages and deals with namespaces instead.

My (experimental) patch for HEAD and 1.4 is attached to bug 1924
(http://bugzilla.wikipedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1924). By default, the
feature is turned off and should not have any side effects.

I understand that this will never be activated on the Wikipedia sites,
but I've seen several enhancement requests for something like this, so I
think there is an interest for this that goes beyond myself.

I'd really appreciate it if the patch could be incorporated into 1.5
before the door closes.

Thanks,

MaPhi


from_name: Sérgio Ribeiro

subject: [Foundation-l] FCCN

body:
Greetings,
Since April 11, I'm in contact with FCCN <http://www.fccn.pt>, a gov-org,
that manages the DNS and backbone of Portugal. By e-mail I talked about the
projects and the foundation, and asked for some support (based on "Volunteer
Squid Sites <http://wp.wikidev.net/Volunteer_Squid_Sites>"), and the reply
of the person that I contacted was that it would be ok for them to support
Wikimedia, but that I should send by email a formal letter (in PDF) with
more details about the projects and about the kind of support (hosting) for
the FCCN board.

My question is, if the foundation is not against a possible partnership
between FCCN and Wikimedia.
Can I and other wikipedians write a letter in PDF (in portuguese), or should
it be the foundation to write and send one ?

Best of all,
Get_It
--
Edit this page @ http://pt.wikipedia.org


subject: [Foundation-l] FCCN


subject: [WikiEN-l] Opus Dei article

body:
Various people are working on this article.  As a preliminary, User:Karada
and I are trying to make the heading structure more conventional.  Some of
the language is surely by a native speaker of Spanish, and is awkward.  I
see no reason why some better approximation to NPOV shouldn't emerge.

There is quite a lot of criticism on the page.  The absence of criticism
from within Catholicism is probably a weakness.  We'll have to see how it
goes.

Charles


from_name: Kurt Roeckx

subject: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki and PostgreSQL

body:
On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 03:36:59PM +0200, Christophe Truffier wrote:
> Brion Vibber a ?crit :
> >You might want to start with the in-progress patches at
> >http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1709
>
> Yes, of course !
> Thank you for this quick answer.

I've been really busy, but I'll try to atleast finnish the
installer this weekend.

Kurt


subject: [Wikitech-l] Re: EXIF data display

body:
> It's be nice if it could collapseable like the TOC, and be collapsed by
> default. It'd also be nice to gather some stats on the camera models used,
> if some are more likely to produce featured pictures, etc.

It would be nice if the look didn't suck in general.

When Magnus initially added the support he made the table appear
before the image and aligned it to the right, this had the negative
side-effect of having a huge table before the image (as opposed to
floating beside the image) when the image was too big to fit the table
beside it, so I moved it. It would be nice if we could have the middle
ground of beside the image if it fits and below it (not above) if it
doesn't.

Regarding statistics that wouldn't be practically possible (fast)
unless we added a new table named image_metadata and had a seperate
field for each valid EXIF tag (of which there are alot), then we could
add an advanced Image search.


from_name: John Bradley

subject: [WikiEN-l] Abusive Blocking

body:
You haven't provided either the date of my alleged 3RR breach by Viloet
Riga or any explanation of why one person is allowed to corrupt data and
not another.

Jan 5.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incid
entArchive1

So is it dishonest or lack of inegrity that led you to accuse me of making
things up? Is it simply that you believe you speak on behalf of God?

How is my bias showing? What biases are they?

I have noting that you belong to several sections of society not known for
there honesty. You statements are all based on your faith that you are right,
It is unimaginable to you that you are wrong. The same kind of fact free
faith you take to church on Sunday.

As you say cheap shots. Anyone who assumes that spelling and grammar
are indicators of intelligence is someone rather shallow.

Date sent:      	Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:30:08 +0100 (BST)
From:           	Matt R <matt_crypto at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject:        	Re: [WikiEN-l] Abusive Blocking
To:             	English Wikipedia <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
Send reply to:  	English Wikipedia <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
	<mailto:wikien-l-request at Wikipedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
	<mailto:wikien-l-request at Wikipedia.org?subject=subscribe>

>  --- John Bradley <john at ontobus.co.uk> wrote:
> > You claim about Violet Trick ...explain why VT is allowed to corrupt data in
> > articles ...it was Snowspiner who original blocked me...
> > (trimmed various accusations)
>
> Etc, etc, etc. Besides the fact that you've never presented any evidence for
> these various claims, you're following a familiar pattern here, Irate. Rather
> than acknowledging any wrongdoing on your own part, you're employing the tired
> trick of showering myriad accusations on everyone else. Remember, adults take
> responsibility for their own actions. Can you honestly believe that you've been
> treated unfairly?
>
> > As I have explained to you before, several times, you aren't interesting in
> > the contents of arguments but in how well the adhere to you idea of the
> > correct ritual, it is what I would  expect from a Posh, privately educated
> > practising Christian.
>
> LOL! Watch out, John, your prejudices are showing...
>
> > To be honest Matt your not in a position to know what will or wont help my
> > case, you don't even know what my case is.
>
> A nutcase! A nutcase!
>
> (Sorry about that, I can't resist a good(?) pun!)
>
> > You don't have the intelligence to work it out, you just acting in a knee
> > jerk way to protect you POV and try and pretend that it is not just you
> > POV but some universal one.
>
> A hint: if you're going to make comments about someone's intelligence, make
> sure that your spelling and grammar are top-notch. Otherwise, you open yourself
> up to, er, cheap shots ;-)
>
> -- Matt
> [[User:Matt Crypto]]
>
>
> Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
> _______________________________________________
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>

		Yours

		John Bradley

Loc: 	Flat 15/22 Gambier Terrace, Liverpool, L1 7BL, UK.
Phone:	+44 (0)151 708 7238
Email:  john at ontobus.co.uk
WWW:	www.ontobus.co.uk


subject: [WikiEN-l] Abusive Blocking

body:
--- John Bradley <john at ontobus.co.uk> wrote:
> You haven't provided either the date of my alleged 3RR breach by Viloet
> Riga or any explanation of why one person is allowed to corrupt data and
> not another.

Why on earth should I? In the first instance, it does, to me, sound like a
smokescreen to distract attention from your own childish behaviour. Moreover,
providing a random link to an archive page is not sufficient. If you want to
present a case, go and put in the hard work of diffs, links etc. Remember all
the effort we went to to list your bad behaviour in your Arbitration case? We
didn't just make ethereal statements that "Irate is bad", we *documented* your
tantrums. If you wish to have anyone pay attention to your own claims, you're
expected to do the same.

> Is it simply that you believe you speak on behalf of God?

Why do you feel it necessary to bring my faith into this discussion?

> How is my bias showing? What biases are they?

You have questioned my honesty based on your assumption that I'm 1) "posh"; 2)
privately educated; and 3) a practising Christian. That sounds like prejudice
to me.

> I have noting that you belong to several sections of society not known for
> there honesty. You statements are all based on your faith that you are right,

You have no idea about me. Why do you think I'm "posh"? What do you know about
my education?

> It is unimaginable to you that you are wrong.

I'm quite prepared to consider that I might be in the wrong. It would, however,
be in the face of criticism from someone other than yourself -- I don't have
any confidence in your judgement. However, all the objective evidence suggests
that you are wrong. I trust the Wikipedia community's collective opinion, and
that opinion has, to date, exclusively condemned your behaviour, and not mine.
Remember the RfC against your conduct that was certified by nineteen users? The
ArbCom ruling? This is rational evidence here, not faith.

> The same kind of fact free faith you take to church on Sunday.

Again, why do you need to have a go at my faith? I've never brought it into our
discussions, but you bring it up just to attack me with it. I'm afraid it makes
you sound like quite a bigot.

> As you say cheap shots.

See above.

> Anyone who assumes that spelling and grammar
> are indicators of intelligence is someone rather shallow.

You claimed I have low intelligence (and your claim had bad spelling and
grammar). But regardless, I've claimed nothing about your intelligence. Sadly,
you appear to take "agreeing with John Bradley" as an indicator of
intelligence. I would suggest that's more than shallow.

-- Matt
[[User:Matt Crypto]]

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com


from_name: Magnus Manske

subject: [Wikitech-l] EXIF data display

body:
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?var Arnfj?r? Bjarmason schrieb:
> Just came across this thread.
>
> After Magnus initially wrote the Exif support I rewrote the Exif
> parsing part of it using php's internal exif libaries, the old code
> was 1500 lines and we're doing the same thing in ~100 lines now, that
> rewrite is already live on the testwiki.

Well, I'd like to take credit, but I just found the EXIF include file
(LGPL) on the web.

Also, I was well aware of the internal PHP function for that purpose,
but also that it was introduced in PHP 4.2. Not to leaveolder
installations (and the default Windows installation, which has EXIF
support turned off) "in the dark" was the sole purpose to use the
include file.

Anyway, it's gone now.

Magnus
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from_name: Anthere

body:
Mark Williamson a ?crit:

>
>>Far from being a "secret", Bomis is a public website that anyone can
>>look at anytime they like.  If Bomis is pornography so is much of what
>>happens in R rated movies.
>
>
> I never said Bomis was a secret. I simply said that the fact that
> Bomis peddles pornography, and that the history of Wikipedia is
> intricately intertwined with Bomis, is kept a secret of sorts. Read
> the Wikipedia articles on the issue, you will not see much mention of
> pornography, but go to #wikipedia on freenode and you will hear a much
> different story.

I mention it in nearly every interview, and in most presentations.

I think the .com failure was pretty bad for many people (it was for my
little bank savings). I like the idea that a .com helped Wikipedia to
arise from nothing but expectations. And I even like it more that this
.com was a soft porn site. I think it shows there is good in everything
even if some people really disapprove of such sites :-)

Usually, most reactions are good. And if you fear such a comment, it is
best to say it on humourous tone than to hide it.

Ant


body:
Walter van Kalken a ?crit:
> Were is this alleged pornographic content on Bomis, apart from some nude
> shots I cannot find anything. I am mightily interested in finding this
> alleged pornography :)
>
> W

Nod. This is actually quite a disappointing site ;-)


from_name: David Gerard

subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Sanger's memoirs

body:
The Cunctator (cunctator at kband.com) [050422 20:47]:

> It's really too bad that "How to Destroy Wikipedia" seems to have gone down
> the Memory Hole, because it's a fine example of me pouring gasoline on a
> fire (in short, it was the inflammatory, negative version of "How to Build
> Wikipedia" but you'd have to read it to understand) out of frustration and
> an unfortunate tendency toward sarcastic fatalism.

  http://nostalgia.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Cunctator/How_to_destroy_Wikipedia&action=history

- d.


from_name: Alfio Puglisi

body:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005, Mark Williamson wrote:

>
>Anyhow, perhaps before calling me a troll again you should take a look
>at the sequence of events: I make a passing remark, Jimbo makes a
>long-winded objection, and in a private e-mail says "this is simply
>not true and I ... strongly urge you not to say things that you don't
>know about ... I'm shocked at your behavior" as if I had just said
>that Wikipedia were founded by terrorists.

Guys, let's cool down, OK? Who cares what Bomis was doing in 2001 or what
it's doing now. This is the wikipedia list.

Yeah, the initial money came from Bomis. Well, it had to come from
somewhere.

Alfio


from_name: Lee Daniel Crocker

subject: [Wikitech-l] Rendering of italics

body:
One thing I noticed after resurrecting the test suite: text in
double tics is now rendered as "<i>" instead of "<em>".  Was this
a consciously-made change, or just an error introduced into the
parser at some point?

--
Lee Daniel Crocker <lee at piclab.com>  <http://www.piclab.com/lee/>
<http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/>


from_name: Christophe Truffier

subject: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki and PostgreSQL

body:
Kurt Roeckx a ?crit :
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 03:36:59PM +0200, Christophe Truffier wrote:
>>Brion Vibber a ?crit :
>>>You might want to start with the in-progress patches at
>>>http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1709
>>
>>Yes, of course !
>>Thank you for this quick answer.
>
> I've been really busy, but I'll try to atleast finnish the
> installer this weekend.

Great ! If I could help... I'm going to patch files I get from cvs soon.

--
Christophe Truffier
UIN #39872819
http://www.nah-ko.org/ - http://www.zrx21.com/


subject: [Wikitech-l] hardware order

body:
> > Of course, we could try and find volenteers with the exact hardware
> > we want to try and benchmark the prociessors for us, but I don't
> > think that will happen.

I have the external test suite working now, and it's designed
specifically for multi-threaded benchmarks.  If there's something
we need to specifically test, just point me to two machines that
differ only in the variable and I'll give you numbers (I did this
for MySQL 4, for example, before we decided to make that upgrade).

--
Lee Daniel Crocker <lee at piclab.com>  <http://www.piclab.com/lee/>
<http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/>


from_name: Philipp

subject: [Wikitech-l] Searchindex error

body:
> That doesn't sound like it should be possible.

:-? Anyway ...

> Have you checked the table for errors with REPAIR TABLE or myisamchk?

repair table and updating the searchindex already worked. Thanks!

Bye
   Philipp