from_name: Erik Moeller

subject: [Wikipedia-l] installing wikipedia

body:
Simon-
> He beleives that you need root access to be able to install the software
> which is unfortunate since I do not have a virtual gnu/linux box... as a
> result, when I run install.php it stops somewhere along the line when it
> tries to create a wikiadministor in the mysql db..

> Any ideas or ways to get around this?

You need to setup the database (use maintenance/tables.sql to do so), then
you can copy the files manually and adjust LocalSettings.php by hand (set
$wgDBuser and $wgDBpassword to a user that has read/write access to the
wikidb). Your wiki directory should look roughly like this:

maintenance/
style/
upload/ - create this and set write permissions if you want to enable
uploads
Article.php
DatabaseFunctions.php
DefaultSettings.php
DifferenceEngine.php
FulltextStoplist.php
GlobalFunctions.php
Interwiki.php
LanguageEn.php
Language.php
LinkCache.php
LinksUpdate.php
LocalSettings.php
LogPage.php
Namespace.php
OutputPage.php
redirect.phtml
SearchEngine.php
SearchUpdate.php
Setup.php
SiteStatsUpdate.php
SkinCologneBlue.php
SkinFramed.php
SkinNostalgia.php
Skin.php
SkinStandard.php
SpecialAllpages.php
SpecialAncientpages.php
SpecialAsksql.php
SpecialBlockip.php
SpecialBooksources.php
SpecialContributions.php
SpecialDebug.php
SpecialEmailuser.php
SpecialImagelist.php
SpecialIntl.php
SpecialIpblocklist.php
SpecialListusers.php
SpecialLockdb.php
SpecialLonelypages.php
SpecialLongpages.php
SpecialMaintenance.php
SpecialMovepage.php
SpecialNeglectedpages.php
SpecialNewpages.php
SpecialPopularpages.php
SpecialPreferences.php
SpecialRandompage.php
SpecialRecentchangeslinked.php
SpecialRecentchanges.php
SpecialShortpages.php
SpecialSpecialpages.php
SpecialStatistics.php
SpecialUndelete.php
SpecialUnlockdb.php
SpecialUnusedimages.php
SpecialUpload.php
SpecialUserlogin.php
SpecialUserlogout.php
SpecialVote.php
SpecialWantedpages.php
SpecialWatchlist.php
SpecialWhatlinkshere.php
texvc.phtml
Title.php
UpdateClasses.php
User.php
UserTalkUpdate.php
UserUpdate.php
Utf8Case.php
Version.php
ViewCountUpdate.php
wiki.phtml

> Is there any possibility of including access controls into wikipedia? I
> would like to have some rather delicate documents collectively edited, but
> I can not have people adding things to the list that would then make it
> incorrect? (sensitive information...!) (-:

Well, we've built an encyclopedia on that very foundation ;-). But you can
give yourself and the people you trust sysop rights (UPDATE user set
user_rights='sysop' where user_name='myname';) and protect the pages you
do not want to be completely editable. We do this with Wikipedia's English
Main Page.

Regards,

Erik


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from_name: Julie Kemp

subject: [WikiEN-l] A slight correction

body:
Regarding Christians being "just" a Jewish sect foe "hundreds of years."
Uh . no.   Sorry.  Wrong.

Jesus was indeed born Jewish.  Some of what Jesus preached is very
reminiscent of Hillel's preaching - no surprise, because they were
members of the same tradition.  But at the time of his death, the most
powerful groups and/or sects in Roman Judaea considered Jesus and his
followers heretical.  This is one of the reasons Pilate didn't want to
be involved - it was an internal Jewish matter, as far as he was
concerned.  Moreover, the protection given Christians as Jews didn't
last all that long.  Jews who saw Christians as heretics pushed for the
protections to be removed, and we have executions of Christians under
Claudius and Nero.  Under emperors like Trajan, Christianity was only
prosecuted as a crime in a don't ask, don't tell" way - but it was
certainly considered a crime.  And from the very early stages,
Christians didn't consider themselves Jews any longer.

SO, if Christians didn't consider themselves to be Jewish, proper Jews
didn't consider them Jewish, and the Romans (who only began to define
Christians as different *after* being told by the Sanhedrin et al. that
Christians weren't Jews) didn't think they were Jews, how could they
have been Jewish for hundreds of years?  Just wondering ;-)

Absolutes can be awkward on the wikipedia unless you have facts to back
them up - and even then, if it's historical, there will be other facts
that might not back you - and someone else is bound to know them.
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from_name: Stevertigo

subject: [WikiEN-l] A slight correction

body:
A slight correctionYes, those facts were more or less correct -- although facts can never be complete.  In any case - I dont think this is the venue or forum for a discussion of religion - as Im explaing to LD in private email.  ( It's open season on the brand-spanking *new religions though ;)

If this thread was however, a clever tool to regain the active interest of our long lost colleague Julie Hoffman Kemp - then all goes according to plan.  :)

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from_name: Ilya N.

subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Article count

body:
Andre Engels wrote:
> How is the article count currently defined? What SQL query would give the
> same number as the one on the Main Page?
>
> Andre Engels

I'd guess you'd do a query that searches for articles with more than 50
characters?


subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Not receiving list email

body:
sgilbert at nbnet.nb.ca wrote:
>>From: "Ilya N." <ilyanep at yahoo.com>
>>
>>I'm not recieving posts or digests, I haven't recieved one since I
>>signed up (3 days ago), and I am forced to always look at the archive...
>>
>>Seriously, I'm gonna be forced to switch to NNTP (very annoying) if this
>>persists!
>
>
> Without more details, it's difficult to diagnose the problem. If you go
> to http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l and enter
> your email address, at the bottom of the page, you can examine
> and change your subscription options. There is an option called
> "Disable Mail Delivery". Make sure that this is set to "Off".
>
> If that doesn't fix it, I'm afraid I don't have any other ideas.
>
> - Stephen
> -------
> Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia
> http://www.wikipedia.org

It is set to off


subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: Isn't that odd...

body:
Daniel Ehrenberg wrote:
> --- Dante Alighieri <dalighieri at digitalgrapefruit.com>
> wrote:
>
>>I'd just like to point out that when you search for
>>"Jimmy Wales" on
>>google, the number 3 (or 2, depending on how you
>>look at it) hit is for
>>[[Jimmy Wales]].... even though that article does
>>not exist. ;)
>>
>>
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22Jimmy+Wales%22
>
>>-----
>>Dante Alighieri
>
>
> Something must link there. That's how spiders work,
> like it or not.
> -LDan
>
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There could be a nonexistant link to [[Jimmy Wales]].


subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: *sigh*

body:
Daniel Ehrenberg wrote:
> --- "Ilya N." <ilyanep at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Apparently, I'm not known enough to become a sysop.
>>I can tell you that
>>I am to be trusted. Even LDan got sysophood after a
>>month, and I will
>>tell you that with my month of membership at
>>wikipedia, I have many good
>>edits that were *useful* to the wikipedia. So I want
>>to know why nobody
>>has even said anything!
>
>
> Are you implying that I was a bad contributer early
> on?
> -LDan
>
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sorry for my use of words...I was saying that you, even after only a
month, got sysophood...I did not mean to be offensive


from_name: sgilbert at nbnet.nb.ca

body:
> From: "Ilya N." <ilyanep at yahoo.com>
>
> I'm not recieving posts or digests, I haven't recieved one since I
> signed up (3 days ago), and I am forced to always look at the archive...
>
> Seriously, I'm gonna be forced to switch to NNTP (very annoying) if this
> persists!

Without more details, it's difficult to diagnose the problem. If you go
to http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l and enter
your email address, at the bottom of the page, you can examine
and change your subscription options. There is an option called
"Disable Mail Delivery". Make sure that this is set to "Off".

If that doesn't fix it, I'm afraid I don't have any other ideas.

- Stephen
-------
Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia
http://www.wikipedia.org


subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: installing wikipedia

body:
> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:03:10 +1200 (NZST)
> From: "Simon Oosterman" <bobo at enzyme.org.nz>
>
> I have recently tried to install the wikipedia software (phaseIII) onto
> the server I use to host my sites. Unfortunately, I did not have much
> luck, and neither did the administrator.
>
> He beleives that you need root access to be able to install the software
> which is unfortunate since I do not have a virtual gnu/linux box... as a
> result, when I run install.php it stops somewhere along the line when it
> tries to create a wikiadministor in the mysql db..
>
> Any ideas or ways to get around this?
>
> I would rather not have to use twiki instead of wikipedia phaseIII!
>
> Is there any possibility of including access controls into wikipedia? I
> would like to have some rather delicate documents collectively edited, but
> I can not have people adding things to the list that would then make it
> incorrect? (sensitive information...!) (-:

Our software really hasn't been designed for ease of installation. I
strongly recommend UseModWiki instead (
http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl ). It's a snap to install: just
put a single Perl script in your cgi-bin, create a directory for you
wiki data, and edit the config file. It's wiki syntax is almost the
same as Wikipedia's, and you can easily set up an editor
password, so that no one without the password can edit the wiki.

- Stephen


subject: [Wikipedia-l] user graffiti

body:
IS there any warning this user should be given:

http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&target=209.175.115.8

he seems urged to attack the forms of government.


from_name: Ray Saintonge

subject: [WikiEN-l] A slight correction

body:
Stevertigo wrote:

> Yes, those facts were more or less correct -- although facts can never
> be complete.  In any case - I dont think this is the venue or forum
> for a discussion of religion - as Im explaing to LD in private email.
> ( It's open season on the brand-spanking *new religions though ;)
>
>
>
> If this thread was however, a clever tool to regain the active
> interest of our long lost colleague Julie Hoffman Kemp - then all goes
> according to plan.  :)
>
>
>
> -Steven
>
BTW Steven your last post was again black on black.

LD in his boundless enthusiasm had managed to miss the metaphorical
significance of the Nietzsche quotation: "There are no Christians alive
today, the last one died on the cross."  In what should perhaps also
have included a smiley, he seemed to suggest that Christ was not a
Christian.  Of course, there is no obligation that someone must be that
for which he is an eponym, but it does help if one recognizes an
historical personage's cultural importance even as one questions the
theology.

Some people have a hard time with metaphor

Ec


subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: Text color problem again.

body:
First of all - a rule in psychology is "noone can *make you angry."

Carrying this theme over to the color issue: No one can make you see colors
you dont want to: Its your job to manage the settings of what you see there.
So, in windows - internet options - under accesibility - you can "ingnore
colors specified on web pages"  Under colors you can "use system colors".
Then the color profile you set from the desktop (right
click -properties..etc.) will apply to your web content too.

In Mozilla - its similar - only the "ignore" and "use system colors" are
both on the colors page.

There you go - that way no matter what I do - (cause these are all sent text
only anyway - so i dunno.) it wont come up unreadable. BTW: I have my
settings for light text on black background to minimise eyestrain. (less
radiation)  I recommend it.

I hope.. you... like.
I like! Yashemazh.
-SM


list: wikitech-l

from_name: Jimmy Wales

subject: [Wikitech-l] jimbo: re: upgrading mailman

body:
I've added this to Jason's extensive to-do list.  We're really
swamped right now implementing a couple of new ad partnerships
at Bomis, but he can get to it early next week I think.

Hunter Peress wrote:

> a month ago, japanese user Tomos came to the list citing japanese problems with mailman. i helped
> him out, and we determined that mailman 2.1 (as opposed to 2.0) has lots of good i18n fixes.
> shouldnt you get to this ?
>
>
>
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from_name: Neil Harris

subject: [Wikitech-l] a spot for WP textbook devel

body:
Daniel Mayer wrote:

>
>>If you are eager to get to work then ask a developer
>>
>>
>via the mailing list to set-up
>http://textbook.wikipedia.org with a blank Wiki. We
>can use what you have already to work out
>organizational issues and hopefully in time we can
>think of a snappy name that will help draw-in
>contributors.
>
>The worst thing that would happen is that nobody will
>be very interested in the idea and that wiki will be a
>lonely place (like our Sep11wiki). --Maveric149
>
>
>
textbooks.wikipedia.org seems better to me: more than one textbook
project may be desirable,  and they can be listed on the Main Page of
http://textbooks.wikipedia.org/ as well as having their own entry pages
eg. http://textbooks.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_chemistry

-- Neil


from_name: Dante Alighieri

body:
At 11:25 AM 6/18/2003, you wrote:
>First of all - a rule in psychology is "noone can *make you angry."
>
>Carrying this theme over to the color issue: No one can make you see colors
>you dont want to: Its your job to manage the settings of what you see there.
>So, in windows - internet options - under accesibility - you can "ingnore
>colors specified on web pages"  Under colors you can "use system colors".
>Then the color profile you set from the desktop (right
>click -properties..etc.) will apply to your web content too.
>
>In Mozilla - its similar - only the "ignore" and "use system colors" are
>both on the colors page.
>
>There you go - that way no matter what I do - (cause these are all sent text
>only anyway - so i dunno.) it wont come up unreadable. BTW: I have my
>settings for light text on black background to minimise eyestrain. (less
>radiation)  I recommend it.
>
>I hope.. you... like.
>I like! Yashemazh.
>-SM

Of course... you are ABSOLUTELY correct. It's totally our fault...

Of course, no one can MAKE me not compose a filter in Eudora that
automatically sends your emails to the trash folder... then I certainly
won't have to see black on dark grey. ;)

-----
Dante Alighieri
dalighieri at digitalgrapefruit.com

"The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their
neutrality in times of great moral crisis."
    -Dante Alighieri, 1265-1321


from_name: Andre Engels

subject: [Wikipedia-l] Article count

body:
How is the article count currently defined? What SQL query would give the
same number as the one on the Main Page?

Andre Engels


subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: A slight correction

body:
Stevertigo wrote:
> Yes, those facts were more or less correct -- although facts can never
> be complete.  In any case - I dont think this is the venue or forum for
> a discussion of religion - as Im explaing to LD in private email.  (
> It's open season on the brand-spanking *new religions though ;)
>
> If this thread was however, a clever tool to regain the active interest
> of our long lost colleague Julie Hoffman Kemp - then all goes according
> to plan.  :)
>
> -Steven
>
why do you have black bg and black text?


body:
> Of course... you are ABSOLUTELY correct. It's totally our fault...
>
> Of course, no one can MAKE me not compose a filter in Eudora that
> automatically sends your emails to the trash folder... then I certainly
> won't have to see black on dark grey. ;)

Well, the "Buddy Christ Dashboard Statue" could make you - if I asked him.
:)
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/jsbstash/budchrisdass1.html

-SM


from_name: Menchi Zh-En WP

subject: [Wikipedia-l] Icon Copyright

body:
Are icons copyrighted? I see them used all over the Internet w/out
attribution. And such use is taking place on WP.

E.g., http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7:Dlloader

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from_name: Nick Reinking

subject: [Wikitech-l] "Warte auf de.wikipedia.org ..."

body:
On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 11:06:12PM +0200, Magnus Manske wrote:
> There's a zombie httpd process on larousse, taking >90% CPU time. Can't
> restart httpd, and have no permission to kill the process. Maybe someone
> should just reboot?
>
> Magnus

Hmm, I don't see it.  Somebody else must have cleaned it up.  I can take
care of requests requiring root privs if needed (with everybody gone).

--
Nick Reinking -- eschewing obfuscation since 1981 -- Minneapolis, MN


from_name: Guillaume Blanchard

subject: [Wikitech-l] LanguageFr.php

body:
I send you again this message.
PLEASE UPDATE OUR INTERFACE.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Guillaume Blanchard" <gblanchard at arcsy.co.jp>
To: <wikitech-l at wikipedia.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:24 PM
Subject: [Wikitech-l] LanguageFr.php

> Bonjour,
> Here the new version of LanguageFr.php.
> The main change is the correction of the date form (removed odd
character).
> It's not critical, but all static date (with 4 ~) will be wrote
incorrectly
> until you update the french interface.
> If you need to make some change before updating, please do it directly at
> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip?dia:LanguageFr.php then you will not
have
> to do it each time.
> Cheers,
>
> Aoineko
>
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body:
On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 11:26:11PM +0200, Magnus Manske wrote:
> No, it's still there. PID 6824, now taking 50-90% CPU time. It is the
> only httpd process left. top even shows it as "zombie".

Well, it is the parent process, and top is saying:
6824 root      16   0   928  172   112 S    71.0  0.0 451:32   0 httpd

Still, it is taking a lot of CPU time - I'll restart it just in case.
(there are lots of httpd processes running, too...)

There... restarted.  :)

--
Nick Reinking -- eschewing obfuscation since 1981 -- Minneapolis, MN


from_name: Simon Oosterman

subject: [Wikipedia-l] installing wikipedia

body:
I have recently tried to install the wikipedia software (phaseIII) onto
the server I use to host my sites. Unfortunately, I did not have much
luck, and neither did the administrator.

He beleives that you need root access to be able to install the software
which is unfortunate since I do not have a virtual gnu/linux box... as a
result, when I run install.php it stops somewhere along the line when it
tries to create a wikiadministor in the mysql db..

Any ideas or ways to get around this?

I would rather not have to use twiki instead of wikipedia phaseIII!

Is there any possibility of including access controls into wikipedia? I
would like to have some rather delicate documents collectively edited, but
I can not have people adding things to the list that would then make it
incorrect? (sensitive information...!) (-:

-- bobo


body:
On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 11:26:11PM +0200, Magnus Manske wrote:
> No, it's still there. PID 6824, now taking 50-90% CPU time. It is the
> only httpd process left. top even shows it as "zombie".

BTW, it only shows one process in top because Apache 2 is multithreaded,
and top doesn't show threads by default (I believe).  So, that's why it
is taking up so much CPU time (in top).  In any case, I do see quite a
few httpd processes dropping off and dying as defunct processes.  That
is strange, and I'm not seeing any good reason for it in the error
log...

--
Nick Reinking -- eschewing obfuscation since 1981 -- Minneapolis, MN


subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: user graffiti

body:
Richard Grevers wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:10:37 -0500, Ilya N.
> <ilyanep at yahoo.com> gave utterance to the
> following:
>
>> IS there any warning this user should be given:
>>
>> http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&target=209.175.115.8
>>
>>
>> he seems urged to attack the forms of government.
>>
> Given that their activity seems limited to a one-off spurt on 8-9 May,
> it doesn't look as though we have an ongoing problem, unless the user is
> on dialup and their IP has changed (In which case we have no way of
> "contacting" them anyhow.
> The ISP is Illinois Century Network - IP block range 209.174.0.0 -
> 209.175.255.255 How easy is it for someone to cross-check for other
> vandalism from this range?

That computer is a school computer at /my/ school...I found out that my
friend who I told them about wikipedia was doing that, and he has a
chance of starting up next year

actually, I think it's not a dynamic IP as it's on a school network,
that's always on, but the IP might change every year or somethin'. I'll
experiment starting next year :)


body:
Stevertigo wrote:
> First of all - a rule in psychology is "noone can *make you angry."
>
> Carrying this theme over to the color issue: No one can make you see colors
> you dont want to: Its your job to manage the settings of what you see there.
> So, in windows - internet options - under accesibility - you can "ingnore
> colors specified on web pages"  Under colors you can "use system colors".
> Then the color profile you set from the desktop (right
> click -properties..etc.) will apply to your web content too.
>
> In Mozilla - its similar - only the "ignore" and "use system colors" are
> both on the colors page.
>
> There you go - that way no matter what I do - (cause these are all sent text
> only anyway - so i dunno.) it wont come up unreadable. BTW: I have my
> settings for light text on black background to minimise eyestrain. (less
> radiation)  I recommend it.
>
> I hope.. you... like.
> I like! Yashemazh.
> -SM

I like it! Except my theme is blueish...well...I'll go find a black theme :)


body:
>
>
> So what exactly do the settings for two web browsers that I hardly ever
> use have to do with the way my e-mail client displays things?

Well, the internet options in Internet explorer are interused between
outlook, MSOE, MSIE, and some other microsoft internet 'products'


from_name: Daniel Ehrenberg

subject: [WikiEN-l] A slight correction

body:
--- Ray Saintonge <saintonge at telus.net> wrote:
> BTW Steven your last post was again black on black.
>
>
> LD in his boundless enthusiasm had managed to miss
> the metaphorical
> significance of the Nietzsche quotation: "There are
> no Christians alive
> today, the last one died on the cross."  In what
> should perhaps also
> have included a smiley, he seemed to suggest that
> Christ was not a
> Christian.  Of course, there is no obligation that
> someone must be that
> for which he is an eponym, but it does help if one
> recognizes an
> historical personage's cultural importance even as
> one questions the
> theology.
>
> Some people have a hard time with metaphor
>
> Ec

I understood the metaphor. I guess I should have put a
smiley face on the end.
-LDan

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subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Icon Copyright

body:
Menchi Zh-En WP wrote:
> Are icons copyrighted? I see them used all over the Internet w/out
> attribution. And such use is taking place on WP.
>
> E.g., http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7:Dlloader
>
> Menchi Zh-En
>
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maybe you can use them under fair use? MAybe there's no copyright notice
for them? :)

I wouldn't know


subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Article count

body:
Thomas Corell wrote:
> Ilya N. wrote:
>
>> Andre Engels wrote:
>>
>>> How is the article count currently defined? What SQL query would give
>>> the
>>> same number as the one on the Main Page?
>>
>>
>> I'd guess you'd do a query that searches for articles with more than
>> 50 characters?
>>
>
> No, the right select is "SELECT ss_good_articles from site_stats LIMIT 1"
> But you can insert {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} like on the main page on every
> page (theoretically).
>
> The articles are not counted by characters, but by colons. See on
> Meta-Wiki or more information about acrticle counting in the future.
>

yeah, but how is 'good_articles' described within the server?


subject: [Wikipedia-l] Copyright violated in Talks

body:
Some people consistently move passages (usually the entire article) of
copyright violations to Talk pages. Talks may not necessarily be considered
Wikipedia proper. But they are still integral part of Wikipedia operations
nevertheless.

This such behaviour acceptable?

I think such people think the violated passage is still useful information
that can be consulted later. But I mean, if you want to see the violation,
go check out the history, or if the warning still presents, the source
website.

Or is Talks actually legally not a part of Wikipedia and so we are not
responsible if there's unlawful matters or craps on it?

Menchi Zh-En

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from_name: koyaanis qatsi

subject: [WikiEN-l] google, rising visibility

body:
Just a note: I recently updated the top 10 Google hits
with some pages I've had my eye on.  Here are some of
the search terms that can conceivably lead people to
wikipedia for the first time:

backbone cabal
bacon number
boston molasses disaster
color temperature
disulfide bond
ford maddox ford
foreign relations of afghanistan
Italian neorealism
john poindexter
john sayles
macguffin  [heh.]
measure word
mixmaster anonymous remailer
Night and Fog prisoner
revolver album
stonewall riots

I mention this for a couple of reasons.  First, it
seems we're steadily moving up in the ratings
(robots.txt hiccup notwithstanding).  Turning up for a
Beatles album--wow. :-)  Personally, I'd love the site
to turn up in a search for [[Alfred Hitchcock]] or
[[The Beatles]], though it may be awhile before we're
that popular.

And, second, in the case of [[Italian neorealism]],
our entry turns up just below Britannica's.

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from_name: maryjohn197500 at 444.net

subject: [WikiEN-l] DONATION

body:
My Lordship/Friend, Calvary greetings in the name of our Lord Jesus
Christ, I am former Mrs MATHEW STACY, now Mrs Mary John , a widow to Late
MATHEW STACY. I am 72years old, I am now a new Christian convert,suffering
from long time cancer of the breast. From all indications, my condition is
really deteriorating and is quite obvious that I may not live more than
six months, because the cancer stage has gotten to a very severe stage. My
late husband was killed during the Gulf war, and during the period of our
marriage we had a son who was also killed in a cold blood during the Gulf
war. My late husband was very wealthy and after his death, I inherited all
his business and wealth. My personal physician told me that I may not live
for more than six months and I am so scared about this. So, I now decided
to divide part of this wealth, by contributing to the development of
evangel ism in Africa, America, Europe and Asian Countries. This mission
which will no doubt be tasking had made me to recently relocated to
Nigeria, Africa where I live presently. I selected your church after
visiting the website for this purpose and prayed over it, I am willing to
donate the sum of $6.000,000.00 Million US Dollars to your Church/Ministry
for the development of evangelism and also as aids for the less privileged
around you. Please note that, this fund is lying in a Security Company in
Switzerland and the company has branches, therefore my lawyer will file an
immediate application for the transfer of the money in the name of your
ministry. Please, do not reply me if you have the intention of using this
fund for personal use other than enhancement of evangelism. Lastly, I want
you/your ministry to be praying for me as regards my entire life and my
health because I have come to find out since my spiritual birth lately
that wealth acquisition without Jesus Christ in one's life is vanity upon
vanity. If you have to die says the Lord, keep fit and I will give you the
crown of life. May the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God,
and the sweet fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you. I await your
urgent reply. Yours in Christ Mrs .MARY JOHN. Christ Live Church, Bodija,
Ibadan, Nigeria. To her [Mary] I entrust you, that the New Woman, Mother
of the Church and of the New Humanity, may be your inspiration in the
discovery of a new feminine identity in the Gospel perspective. - John
Paul II, Sept. 4, 1988

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from_name: cprompt

subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: Isn't that odd...

body:
Ilya N. wrote:

> Daniel Ehrenberg wrote:
>
>> --- Dante Alighieri <dalighieri at digitalgrapefruit.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd just like to point out that when you search for
>>> "Jimmy Wales" on google, the number 3 (or 2, depending on how you
>>> look at it) hit is for [[Jimmy Wales]].... even though that article
>>> does
>>> not exist. ;)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22Jimmy+Wales%22
>>
>>> -----
>>> Dante Alighieri
>>
>>
>>
>> Something must link there. That's how spiders work,
>> like it or not.
>> -LDan
>>
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>
> There could be a nonexistant link to [[Jimmy Wales]].
>
>
Problem solved. It now redirects to [[User:Jimbo Wales]] :-)

--

--cprompt


subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: my own wikipedia...

body:
Ilya N. wrote:

> cprompt wrote:
>
>> Oliver Brown wrote:
>>
>>> I have a local music project I want to convert into a wiki-site so
>>> musicians
>>> can update their own information. I've poked around at different
>>> wikis, and
>>> the wikipedia syntax is by far the best. So I want to use the
>>> wikipedia-software, the wikipedia help pages, but none of the
>>> encyclopedia
>>> content, on some server-space that I pay for. Is such a thing
>>> plausible? Can
>>> someone talk me through this?
>>> -oliver
>>>
>>>
>> Here you go, good luck! http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Software
>>
>
> IS it possible to run the software on a non-wikipedia server and a
> non-wikipedia domain name?

Yup! Here are some sites that are doing just that:

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Projects_using_Wikipedia_software

--

--cprompt


from_name: Kurt Jansson

body:
In case you haven't noticed: Wikipedia is f**king slow again about once
in an hour. At least the German Wp. Time for restricting special pages
and searches again? Or should we start with SQL queries this time?

I hope not everybody is as annoyed as I am.

Kurt


from_name: Thomas Corell

body:
Kurt Jansson wrote:
> In case you haven't noticed: Wikipedia is f**king slow again about once
> in an hour. At least the German Wp. Time for restricting special pages
> and searches again? Or should we start with SQL queries this time?

Any idea if any host-admin is left ( Lee and Brion are off )?

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subject: [WikiEN-l] another pitch black unreadable Stevertigo message

body:
james duffy wrote:

>
>
> Stevertigo,
>
> How is it that if the 100s of emails I receive every week on four
> different accounts, /your/ emails are the only ones to arrive pitch
> black and unreadable? At this stage I have almost stopped even reading
> your stuff out of irritation at getting pitch black unreadable
> messages that I can only read by hitting the reply all button and
> going through the motions of replying, simply because /then and only
> then/ can I actually see the text. This is getting utterly annoying.
> And not a single other email from anyone else I receive, from wiki or
> elsewhere, causes the same problem.
>
> JT

A good point. Stevertigo, could you not take your own advice and
override your settings so all messages appear to you as white on black,
and not subject those with certain mail clients to certain problems? I'm
using Mozilla, which I believe follows most, if not all standards pretty
closely.

--

--cprompt


from_name: Erik Moeller

subject: [Wikitech-l] Pliny bandwidth bottleneck?

body:
Could it be that we're hitting a bandwidth bottleneck on pliny and/or
larousse? The Wikipedias are really slow, but it's not so much the queries
that take long -- the page loading itself is fairly slow. To test
bandwidth, I did a

#wget http://en.wikipedia.org/tarballs/20030616_cur_table.sql.bz2

and I got only 6-7 KB/s (I seem to remember that I got about 30 KB/s on
the DB download the last time). Anyone got an idea what's going on?

Regards,

Erik


from_name: Magnus Manske

body:
There's a zombie httpd process on larousse, taking >90% CPU time. Can't
restart httpd, and have no permission to kill the process. Maybe someone
should just reboot?

Magnus

Thomas Corell wrote:
> Kurt Jansson wrote:
>
>> In case you haven't noticed: Wikipedia is f**king slow again about
>> once in an hour. At least the German Wp. Time for restricting special
>> pages and searches again? Or should we start with SQL queries this time?
>
>
> Any idea if any host-admin is left ( Lee and Brion are off )?
>
>


body:
No, it's still there. PID 6824, now taking 50-90% CPU time. It is the
only httpd process left. top even shows it as "zombie".

Nick Reinking wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 11:06:12PM +0200, Magnus Manske wrote:
>
>>There's a zombie httpd process on larousse, taking >90% CPU time. Can't
>>restart httpd, and have no permission to kill the process. Maybe someone
>>should just reboot?
>>
>>Magnus
>
>
> Hmm, I don't see it.  Somebody else must have cleaned it up.  I can take
> care of requests requiring root privs if needed (with everybody gone).
>


body:
Nick Reinking wrote:

> Hmm, I don't see it.  Somebody else must have cleaned it up.  I can take
> care of requests requiring root privs if needed (with everybody gone).

Well, I added you to my host admin list :)

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subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Article count

body:
Ilya N. wrote:
> Andre Engels wrote:
>
>> How is the article count currently defined? What SQL query would give the
>> same number as the one on the Main Page?
>
> I'd guess you'd do a query that searches for articles with more than 50
> characters?
>

No, the right select is "SELECT ss_good_articles from site_stats LIMIT 1"
But you can insert {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} like on the main page on every page
(theoretically).

The articles are not counted by characters, but by colons. See on Meta-Wiki
or more information about acrticle counting in the future.

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subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Article count

body:
Thomas-
> The articles are not counted by characters, but by colons. See on Meta-Wiki
> or more information about acrticle counting in the future.

En: already implements the "one link" criterion, that is, articles are
counted if they contain at least one link. No idea if de: etc. are already
switched.

Regards,

Erik


from_name: james duffy

body:
Stevertigo,

How is it that if the 100s of emails I receive every week on four different
accounts, /your/ emails are the only ones to arrive pitch black and
unreadable? At this stage I have almost stopped even reading your stuff out
of irritation at getting pitch black unreadable messages that I can only
read by hitting the reply all button and going through the motions of
replying, simply because /then and only then/ can I actually see the text.
This is getting utterly annoying. And not a single other email from anyone
else I receive, from wiki or elsewhere, causes the same problem.

JT

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subject: [Wikitech-l] Deleted image restoration

body:
Is the inability to restore deleted image intentional (if so, why)?

Menchi Zh-En

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body:
Menchi-
> Some people consistently move passages (usually the entire article) of
> copyright violations to Talk pages. Talks may not necessarily be considered
> Wikipedia proper. But they are still integral part of Wikipedia operations
> nevertheless.

> This such behaviour acceptable?

Depends on the length of the infringed text. It is completely legal to
quote one or two paragraphs from a copyrighted work under virtually every
jurisdiction, although such quotes should be clearly recognizable as such.
However, copying an entiry copyrighted article to the talk page is not
acceptable, since the talk pages are google-indexed. In that case, please
blank the page. (Which raises another issue, namely copyright
infringements in article histories. That could be addressed, if necessary,
by implementing a deletion feature for individual article revisions, which
would actually be relatively simple to do.)

Regards,

Erik


subject: [Wikitech-l] layout and stylesheet

body:
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 01:34:00PM +0100, tarquin wrote:
> I figure I'm getting little response because the developers are swamped
> with database and optimization problems. I have the capabilities to work
> on our stylesheets and layout myself.
> But I can't get access to our CVS because I can't set up SSH on Windows.
> Is there someone who can help me? Has anyone here successfully set up
> Wikipedia CVS & SSH access on windows?
> This is an important issue, and I am prepared to work on it.

Really, your best bet is going to be installing Cygwin (www.cygwin.com).
That will give you all the traditional GNU tools and whatnot on Windows.
I do a lot of my development that way.  Be sure to check out
www.twoevils.org/html/files.php for how to setup an awesome terminal.
:)

--
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from_name: Ray Saintonge

body:
Vicki Rosenzweig wrote:

> At 06:54 PM 6/18/03 -0700, Menchi Zh-en wrote:
>
>> Some people consistently move passages (usually the entire article)
>> of copyright violations to Talk pages. Talks may not necessarily be
>> considered Wikipedia proper. But they are still integral part of
>> Wikipedia operations nevertheless.
>>
>> This such behaviour acceptable?
>
> Yes, because it's intended as temporary. If the passage turns out not
> to be
> a copyright violation (in some of these, the person whose page it was
> found on
> is the person who put it on Wikipedia, and wrote it, so they can
> release it to
> us under the GFDL), it can be restored. If it's confirmed as a
> violation, it should
> be deleted from the talk page as well.

To some extent, I would expect that these violations would be covered by
fair use when they have been moved to the talk page or history to
highlight the fact that there was a copyright violation.  The reason for
being there has changed, and that is one of the factors considered when
evaluating fair use.  There might be a problem if it's a very long text,
but then the person posting is violating another WP rule about WP not
being a Library for published texts.

Ec


from_name: Vicki Rosenzweig

body:
At 06:54 PM 6/18/03 -0700, Menchi Zh-en wrote:
>Some people consistently move passages (usually the entire article) of
>copyright violations to Talk pages. Talks may not necessarily be
>considered Wikipedia proper. But they are still integral part of Wikipedia
>operations nevertheless.
>
>This such behaviour acceptable?

Yes, because it's intended as temporary. If the passage turns out not to be
a copyright violation (in some of these, the person whose page it was found on
is the person who put it on Wikipedia, and wrote it, so they can release it to
us under the GFDL), it can be restored. If it's confirmed as a violation,
it should
be deleted from the talk page as well.
--
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from_name: Richard Grevers

subject: [Wikipedia-l] user graffiti

body:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:10:37 -0500, Ilya N. <ilyanep at yahoo.com> gave
utterance to the following:

> IS there any warning this user should be given:
>
> http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&target=209.175.115.8
>
> he seems urged to attack the forms of government.
>
Given that their activity seems limited to a one-off spurt on 8-9 May, it
doesn't look as though we have an ongoing problem, unless the user is on
dialup and their IP has changed (In which case we have no way of
"contacting" them anyhow.
The ISP is Illinois Century Network - IP block range 209.174.0.0 -
209.175.255.255 How easy is it for someone to cross-check for other
vandalism from this range?
--
Richard Grevers
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from_name: Ilya N.

subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: another pitch black unreadable Stevertigo message

body:
cprompt wrote:
> james duffy wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Stevertigo,
>>
>> How is it that if the 100s of emails I receive every week on four
>> different accounts, /your/ emails are the only ones to arrive pitch
>> black and unreadable? At this stage I have almost stopped even reading
>> your stuff out of irritation at getting pitch black unreadable
>> messages that I can only read by hitting the reply all button and
>> going through the motions of replying, simply because /then and only
>> then/ can I actually see the text. This is getting utterly annoying.
>> And not a single other email from anyone else I receive, from wiki or
>> elsewhere, causes the same problem.
>>
>> JT
>
>
> A good point. Stevertigo, could you not take your own advice and
> override your settings so all messages appear to you as white on black,
> and not subject those with certain mail clients to certain problems? I'm
> using Mozilla, which I believe follows most, if not all standards pretty
> closely.
>
>

I use mozilla...and I only saw one message from him pitch black. IF it
is pitch black just select the text (or go to edit and press select all)
and that would make it easier to read (Would hope so)

Ilyanep


from_name: Daniel Mayer

subject: [Wikipedia-l] Copyright violated in Talk (and article history)

body:
Tomos wrote:
>In Japanese wikipedia, the whole article gets deleted

>when some infringement is found (or when highly
>suspected case is not cleared after some period).
>Upon deleting a page, non-infringing text exist in
>the past or current versions will be recycled - but
>the revision history is gone. I don't know if this
>practice will sustain if, say, someone does an
>infringing pasting to an article with 100 revisions,
>though.

OK so instead of theoretically breaking the law by
allowing infringing material in the article history
you are definitely breaking the law by destroying
attributions to the people who wrote the
non-infringing part of the article? The GNU FDL
/requires/ author attribution and the way we do that
is through the article history. Please don't delete
the history of an article that still has valid,
non-infringing text just because somebody at one time
added illegal text; having infringing text is a lessor
evil than destroying valid author credit. If and when
a copyright holder complains a developer can delete
the particular revision. No need to be too paranoid
about this. :)

>If adding a new function for deleting just a past
>version of an article is fairy easy, I personally
>would like it to happen.

It sounds like it would be and I will be all for it.
However, there are more important things to do first
with the deletion management system to make it
scalable. And each revision deletion will have to be
easily undeletable by another Admin. Basic undeletion
(like we already have for entire article histories)
is, IMO, absolutely needed before regular Admins have
this ability. I have nothing against the developers
first making an easy to use user interface for them to
delete revisions though - and they always should have
the ability to permanently delete things (in cases of
slander and libel, for example).

-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)

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from_name: Karl Wick

subject: [Wikitech-l] wiki textbook subdomain

body:
Hi,

I have a request, with the blessing of Jimbo Wales, to open
up a subdomain on WP for the exclusive development of open
content textbooks. The subdomain name
http://textbook.wikipedia.org has been suggested .. Jimmy
told me to send an email to this group so that someone
could do the under-the-hood work to get it going ... Thank
you very much !!

Karl
[http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Karlwick]

Jimmy Wales wrote:
Write to wikitech-l, and pass along my endorsement of the
idea.

I'm personally (a) clueless about how to do this, and
fearful of
breaking something and (b) totally swamped.  Brion is
taking a week
or two off, as I recall, so technical stuff isn't being
handled with
the usual diligence.

This will happen, yes, but it will take a couple of weeks I
bet.

Karl Wick wrote:
> Hey Jimbo,
> > I am very excited to hear that !
> > Is there a way to open up a spot on WP for this
> development, at least for now ? (Mav suggested
> http://textbook.wikipedia.org ).
> > Karl

Jimmy Wales <jwales at bomis.com> wrote:
> > Well, I'm with you 100% on this.

Karl Wick wrote:
> Hey Jimbo,
> > I dont have a big group of people who have expressed
> interest but there are a couple. Mav told me that there
> were already plans to eventually build textbooks from WP
> materials, but that there should be a consensus on its
name
> before he buys a separate domain name.
> > A user named April also has her own science textbook
Wiki
> set up on a personal site hidden away somewhere but she
has
> some pretty specific goals which are going to keep it
> pretty independant of the WP project.
> > I think there may be some people out there who would
work
> and contribute to a textbook project even tho they might
> not be interested in an encyclopedia ... anyways there
are
> some differences between the two that make it a separate
> beast although related.
> > People spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars to
purchase
> textbooks that contain nothing more than public domain
> material that would as well or better presented in
> hypertext, and I'm eager to start work on it ....
> > Sorry, dont want to chew your ear off.
> Karl

Jimbo Wales wrote:
> >As far as I'm concerned, yes. I saw a thread on the
> mailing list, but I haven't read it yet. Are people
> generally on board with the concept?

Karl Wick wrote:
> Hi Jimbo,
> > I was wondering what I could to to get a subdomain
opened
> up on Wikipedia for the development of textbooks. I've
got
> a physics book I am writing that I would like to donate
as
> well as some ideas for an organic chemistry book.
> > Thanks,
> Karl

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body:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:25:16 -0700, Stevertigo <stevertigo at attbi.com> gave
utterance to the following:

> First of all - a rule in psychology is "noone can *make you angry."
>
> Carrying this theme over to the color issue: No one can make you see
> colors
> you dont want to: Its your job to manage the settings of what you see
> there.
> So, in windows - internet options - under accesibility - you can "ingnore
> colors specified on web pages"  Under colors you can "use system colors".
> Then the color profile you set from the desktop (right
> click -properties..etc.) will apply to your web content too.
>
> In Mozilla - its similar - only the "ignore" and "use system colors" are
> both on the colors page.

So what exactly do the settings for two web browsers that I hardly ever use
have to do with the way my e-mail client displays things?
>
> There you go - that way no matter what I do - (cause these are all sent
> text
> only anyway - so i dunno.) it wont come up unreadable.
Bzzt - wrong. You are sending Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
	boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C3357D.255F69E0" which includes a
text/plain part and an text/html part which specifies <BODY
bgColor=#202020> and contains numerous font tags which set the text color
as #000000 (black).

The initial fault is Julie's (she posted in multipart with both text and
HTML to start with, but MSOE seems to have a rather severe bug when
replying to multipart messages - applying your bg colour but the original
message's font colour.

I humbly suggest that:
1) Julie endeavour to post only text/plain to mailing lists (have you
*seen* what multipart messages can do to a digest or archive?)
2) Steve endeavours to find a setting whereby OE replies to multipart
messages only in text/plain. (Many mail clients have such a setting)
3) Both of you try to find a decent mail client. :-)

--
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from_name: Anthere

subject: [Wikitech-l] Finnish locale - translation complete

body:
--- Juho Schultz <juho.schultz at astro.helsinki.fi>
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> the Finnish locale for Wikipedia is attached
> (gzipped)...
>

Hello Juho

Brion usually takes care of these. He is currently
away for a while. So do not be surprised if you get no
reaction at first.

Anthere

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from_name: Juho Schultz

body:
Hello,

the Finnish locale for Wikipedia is attached (gzipped)

I ripped the half-ready translation from the Meta-Wikipedia, and
completed it. However, I can not put it directly back there. All the
Scandinavian letters (auml and ouml) turn to question marks when using
cut-and-paste, and I really don't feel like typing it all again.

The translation should be checked for typos and mistakes,
but it should be understandable (to a native Finn, at least).

I have removed some Finglish (Special = Erityis, not Spesiaali etc.)
from the old translation.

If there is anything weird in the file, let me know. I really have no
idea on php (I prefer python or tcl) so this may contain some odd
mistakes.

   Juho Schultz

   e-mail: juho.schultz at astro.helsinki.fi
   www.astro.helsinki.fi/~jschultz
   Observatory
   P.O. Box 14
   FIN-00014 University of Helsinki
   FINLAND
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body:
cprompt wrote:

> Ilya N. wrote:
>
>> cprompt wrote:
>>
>>> A good point. Stevertigo, could you not take your own advice and
>>> override your settings so all messages appear to you as white on
>>> black, and not subject those with certain mail clients to certain
>>> problems? I'm using Mozilla, which I believe follows most, if not
>>> all standards pretty closely.
>>
>> I use mozilla...and I only saw one message from him pitch black. IF
>> it is pitch black just select the text (or go to edit and press
>> select all) and that would make it easier to read (Would hope so)
>>
>> Ilyanep
>
> It does help, but that's not the first pitch black message I've gotten.

This sort of thing happens, and Steve is obviously aware of it, So
unless you have reason to believe that someone is persistently being an
asshole about it let's cut each other some slack and avoid whining about
every little thing that goes wrong.

Ec


from_name: John R. Owens

subject: [WikiEN-l] DONATION

body:
On Wed, 2003-06-18 at 13:05, maryjohn197500 at 444.net wrote:
> My Lordship/Friend, Calvary greetings in the name of our Lord Jesus
> Christ, I am former Mrs MATHEW STACY, now Mrs Mary John , a widow to Late
> MATHEW STACY. I am 72years old, I am now a new Christian convert,suffering
> from long time cancer of the breast. From all indications,...

Hey, maybe we can finally get the Wikipedia non-profit off the ground!
;)

--
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Marcus, this is the kind of conversation that can only end in a gunshot.
				--Dr. Stephen Franklin


subject: [WikiEN-l] DONATION

body:
cprompt wrote:

> maryjohn197500 at 444.net wrote:
>
>> I selected your church after
>> visiting the website for this purpose and prayed over it, I am
>> willing to
>> donate the sum of $6.000,000.00 Million US Dollars to your
>> Church/Ministry
>> for the development of evangelism and also as aids for the less
>> privileged
>> around you.
>
> This is the third Nigerian email scam I've gotten in like 2 weeks.
> Previously, I had none. Odd that there's a sudden increase. I was
> going to create a "Church of Wikipedia" article in the meta namespace,
> but...nah.. :-P

I think it would be a good idea to wait until the WP Foundation  has
$6,000,000 in its bank account before we consider a response.  Until
then we need it more than they do. :-D

Ec


from_name: Tomos at Wikipedia

body:
Currently, http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights says, as I
undersand, that when one finds a suspected case of infringement, s/he should
delete that part, and then leave a note on the deletion "along with the
original source" in talk page.

What Menchi encountered were perhaps a result of that instruction.

Also, I have been wondering if English and other wikipedias keep
copyright-infringing material in the article history. True, it is not
accessible from search engine, but keeping an infringing material in the
page history sounds anyway illegal. And one may download the data including
past versions and think
the whole thing is under GNU_FDL. Is it trivial enough to ignore?

In Japanese wikipedia, the whole article gets deleted when some infringement
is found (or when highly suspected case is not cleared after some period).
Upon deleting a page, non-infringing text exist in the past or current
versions will be recycled - but the revision history is gone. I don't know
if this practice will sustain if, say, someone does an infringing pasting to
an article with 100 revisions, though.

If adding a new function for deleting just a past version of an article is
fairy easy, I personally would like it to happen.

Currently, Copyright infringement notice in
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Boilerplate_text include "unless a
stub replaces this text, deletion will occur." So are there indeed articles
with infringing materials in some past revisions?

Cheers,

Tomos

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body:
Ilya N. wrote:

> cprompt wrote:
>
>> A good point. Stevertigo, could you not take your own advice and
>> override your settings so all messages appear to you as white on
>> black, and not subject those with certain mail clients to certain
>> problems? I'm using Mozilla, which I believe follows most, if not all
>> standards pretty closely.
>>
>>
>
> I use mozilla...and I only saw one message from him pitch black. IF it
> is pitch black just select the text (or go to edit and press select
> all) and that would make it easier to read (Would hope so)
>
> Ilyanep

It does help, but that's not the first pitch black message I've gotten.

--

--cprompt


subject: [WikiEN-l] DONATION

body:
maryjohn197500 at 444.net wrote:

> I selected your church after
>visiting the website for this purpose and prayed over it, I am willing to
>donate the sum of $6.000,000.00 Million US Dollars to your Church/Ministry
>for the development of evangelism and also as aids for the less privileged
>around you.
>
This is the third Nigerian email scam I've gotten in like 2 weeks.
Previously, I had none. Odd that there's a sudden increase. I was going
to create a "Church of Wikipedia" article in the meta namespace,
but...nah.. :-P

--

--cprompt


from_name: tarquin

subject: [Wikitech-l] layout and stylesheet

body:
tarquin wrote:

> I'm open to suggestions. But we really need to rethink our design. I
> know that all of us here on this list are used to the current page
> layout, so we see right through its problems.
> But think like a luser for a moment: there is nothing that guides the
> eye. The are straggly blocks of links that come at you from all sides.
> I showed the site to the library staff and their eyes just glazed over
> with that "too much scary text" look people get. We are talking about
> people who panic at the sight of a Microsoft Word dialog box here.
> This is (sadly) the average net user.
>
> Remember who we've said before that we need to attract editors from
> other backgrounds, such as literature, history, art -- people who are
> probably not tech-wise? This is a hurdle we need to lower.
>
This just seen on the village pump:

 > I get the impression that the input to the encyclopedia is rather
unbalanced: lots on computer stuff (surprise!), science, pop music,
sci-fi/fantasy, bits of geog/hist. The impression is that the typical
user is a young male with computer qualifications and stereotypically
geeky interests (jimfbleak <http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimfbleak>)

I figure I'm getting little response because the developers are swamped
with database and optimization problems. I have the capabilities to work
on our stylesheets and layout myself.
But I can't get access to our CVS because I can't set up SSH on Windows.
Is there someone who can help me? Has anyone here successfully set up
Wikipedia CVS & SSH access on windows?
This is an important issue, and I am prepared to work on it.

-- tarquin


subject: [Wikitech-l] layout and stylesheet

body:
tarquin-
> I figure I'm getting little response because the developers are swamped
> with database and optimization problems. I have the capabilities to work
> on our stylesheets and layout myself.
> But I can't get access to our CVS because I can't set up SSH on Windows.
> Is there someone who can help me? Has anyone here successfully set up
> Wikipedia CVS & SSH access on windows?

My first recommendation is to make some room on your harddisk and set up a
Linux partition for dual boot. Shouldn't take more than a couple of hours
even if you are unfamiliar with Linux.

My second recommendation is to read this:
http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=766&group_id=1

Regards,

Erik


from_name: Tomasz Wegrzanowski

subject: [Wikitech-l] layout and stylesheet

body:
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 01:34:00PM +0100, tarquin wrote:
> This just seen on the village pump:
>
> > I get the impression that the input to the encyclopedia is rather
> unbalanced: lots on computer stuff (surprise!), science, pop music,
> sci-fi/fantasy, bits of geog/hist. The impression is that the typical
> user is a young male with computer qualifications and stereotypically
> geeky interests (jimfbleak <http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimfbleak>)

Oh no, we are perfectly balanced, it's non-free 'pedias that contain too little
about computer stuff, science, pop music and sci-fi/fantasy, and surprisingly
lot about some boring and not very relevant topics.

Seriously, our content is more useful per article on average, so I don't think
it lacks balance.


from_name: Simon Oosterman

subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: installing wikipedia

body:
>> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:03:10 +1200 (NZST)
>> From: "Simon Oosterman" <bobo at enzyme.org.nz>

>> I would rather not have to use twiki instead of wikipedia phaseIII!

> Our software really hasn't been designed for ease of installation. I
> strongly recommend UseModWiki instead (
> http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl ). It's a snap to install: just
> put a single Perl script in your cgi-bin, create a directory for you
> wiki data, and edit the config file. It's wiki syntax is almost the
> same as Wikipedia's, and you can easily set up an editor
> password, so that no one without the password can edit the wiki.

I've installed wiki's before, but my opinion is, that since I'm wanting to
do a VERY similar project to wikipedia, except orientated towards
grassroots/environmental/sustianable/justice (www.recyclopedia.info)...
that the wikipedia is by far the most superior wiki. The only reason why I
said twiki was because it allows for groups/access control... usemod as
far as I know does not allow this? twiki doesn't look as nice as wikipedia
either in my opinion.

Any further ideas? Perhaps someone with an interest in this idea would be
willing to install it for me? I'm definetly willing to pay for their
time...

-- bobo


from_name: Jimmy Wales

subject: [WikiEN-l] error messages on wiki

in_reply_to: <BAY1-F1573qt2gx4csM0000c163@hotmail.com>; from jtdirl@hotmail.com on Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 11:00:49PM +0100

body:
Fixed, I hope.

james duffy wrote:

>
> I keep getting the following message on wiki, even having cleared my cache.
>
> Could not connect to DB on 130.94.122.197
>
> Host 'larousse.wikipedia.org' is blocked because of many connection errors.
> Unblock with 'mysqladmin flush-hosts'
>
> If this error persists after reloading and clearing your browser cache,
> please notify the Wikipedia developers.
>
> It happens even I try to contact the developers, and using either safari or
> explorer.
>
> JT
>
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subject: [Wikitech-l] what ???

body:
What is going on on the fr wiki ?

My prefs are all weird. I do not recognise the skin at
all.
And when I edit the page, the edit window is only
"one" character wide.
This is not true on the german wiki.
???

Does anybody else see that ?

-------

Les fran?ais, tout se passe bien pour vous en terme
d'?dition ? Pas de pb ?

Ma skin a disparu et la fenetre d edition ne contient
qu un seul caractere ???

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from_name: Imran Ghory

subject: [Wikipedia-l] Stallman on fair use

body:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003, Axel Boldt wrote:
> ...or so the story goes. EB could in fact take Wikipedia, make some
> improvements (or not), and slap an invariant section on every article,
> such as "Improvements by Encyclopedia Britannica (tm), the best
> encyclopedia in the world, available from www.eb.com."

--
http://bits.bris.ac.uk/imran


subject: [Wikipedia-l] Stallman on fair use

body:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003, Axel Boldt wrote:
> ...or so the story goes. EB could in fact take Wikipedia, make some
> improvements (or not), and slap an invariant section on every article,
> such as "Improvements by Encyclopedia Britannica (tm), the best
> encyclopedia in the world, available from www.eb.com."

Only appendicies or front-matter can be classified as invariant. Moreover
in such a case by the combination rule all such invariants sections could
be combined into one removing them from the articles.

Imran
--
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subject: [Wikitech-l] Re: [WikiFR-l] what ??? The server crashed when I was setting my prefs

body:
I found what happened.
Yesterday, I changed my preferences "offset time"
(because the server does not take into account our
summer time, so I switch from +1 to +2). The pb
occured immediately after.
What apparently happened is that the server did not
save *any* prefs at all. That was probably exactly at
the moment the server got down yesterday. Because 1 mn
after, the en wiki was down.

This morning, I went to my prefs page, and
*everything* was blank.
I mean, there was absolutely no choice, not even radio
buttons
No password
no email
no skin choice was on
no toolbar was checked
all "text box" dimensions were empty (null)
all options were unchecked

Basically, all you could see was Anthere, number 3,
and empty choices everywhere, even when these choices
are mandatory.

Very curious
so, not my dino browser Aoi, just "perfect timing"

Ant

--- Guillaume Blanchard <gblanchard at arcsy.co.jp>
wrote:
> Tout ce passe bien, merci :o)
> Serieusement, y a aucun probleme en dehors de la
> terrible lenteur du
> serveur.
> C'est p'tre l'occasion de changer ton dinobrowser
> ;o)
>
> Aoineko
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anthere" <anthere6 at yahoo.com>
> To: <wikifr-l at wikipedia.org>;
> <wikitech-l at wikipedia.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 8:33 AM
> Subject: [WikiFR-l] what ???
>
>
> > What is going on on the fr wiki ?
> >
> > My prefs are all weird. I do not recognise the
> skin at
> > all.
> > And when I edit the page, the edit window is only
> > "one" character wide.
> > This is not true on the german wiki.
> > ???
> >
> > Does anybody else see that ?
> >
> > -------
> >
> > Les fran?ais, tout se passe bien pour vous en
> terme
> > d'?dition ? Pas de pb ?
> >
> > Ma skin a disparu et la fenetre d edition ne
> contient
> > qu un seul caractere ???
> >
> > __________________________________
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> > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!
> > http://sbc.yahoo.com
> > _______________________________________________
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> > WikiFR-l at wikipedia.org
> > http://www.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikifr-l
> >
>
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subject: [Wikitech-l] layout and stylesheet

body:
Erik Moeller wrote:

>My first recommendation is to make some room on your harddisk and set up a
>Linux partition for dual boot. Shouldn't take more than a couple of hours
>even if you are unfamiliar with Linux.
>
I'm planning on doing this, but I don't know if my ISP will play...

>My second recommendation is to read this:
>http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=766&group_id=1
>
>
>
Wow! This is EXACTLY what I needed. (and I *had* looked on Sourceforge
for help previously)
I've just generated a key pair, hopefully I'll be able to log in and
actually contribute!

thanks :-)


subject: [WikiEN-l] error messages on wiki

body:
I keep getting the following message on wiki, even having cleared my cache.

Could not connect to DB on 130.94.122.197

Host 'larousse.wikipedia.org' is blocked because of many connection errors.
Unblock with 'mysqladmin flush-hosts'

If this error persists after reloading and clearing your browser cache,
please notify the Wikipedia developers.

It happens even I try to contact the developers, and using either safari or
explorer.

JT

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subject: [Wikitech-l] [WikiEN-l] error messages on wiki

body:
I keep getting the following message on wiki, even having cleared my cache.

Could not connect to DB on 130.94.122.197

Host 'larousse.wikipedia.org' is blocked because of many connection errors.
Unblock with 'mysqladmin flush-hosts'

If this error persists after reloading and clearing your browser cache,
please notify the Wikipedia developers.

It happens even I try to contact the developers, and using either safari or
explorer.

JT

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from_name: a.crossman at blueyonder.co.uk

subject: [WikiEN-l] 2 errors...

body:
I'm also getting the same error as JT, on both Explorer and Mozilla
on Windows XP...

On a totally different matter (I trust), what's going on with
[[Image:Marthastewart-1.jpg]]? Where there should be links to the
versions, there's just the name of the person who uploaded it... and
the page that links to it just shows a bar, rather than the image...

Evercat
--
Allan Crossman
a.crossman at blueyonder.co.uk
http://dogma.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk


from_name: Matthias Jordan

subject: [Wikitech-l] Feature suggestion: default namespaces for search

body:
Hi, folks!

I'd like to put a new optional feature into Phase-III and wanted to ask
whether that's OK or not.

When users search, they search by default only in the article namespace
(rather, in no namespace at all). In new Wikis smaller communities it
could be very useful to let users search for other namespaces by default
as well. E.g. many new users will want to search for documentation. I'm
working for a youth organization and we have many non-computer literate
members. To let them search for on-site documentation, they have to
search, fail, click on the correct namespace and search again. My
feature would enable the admin to define a site-wide default set of
namespaces to search for that defaults to the currently used set.

Any criticism, hints, additions, objections?

Bye!
Matthias


subject: [WikiEN-l] Martha image again

body:
OK, forget about my problem with the Martha image, turns out it was
in the /ad/ image directory and Norton Firewall was blocking it as an
ad...

--
Allan Crossman
a.crossman at blueyonder.co.uk
http://dogma.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk


from_name: james duffy

subject: [WikiEN-l] error mesages.

body:
>evercat wrote
>I'm also getting the same error as JT, on both Explorer and Mozilla
>on Windows XP...

I am getting the same message on Opera, Camino, Safari, Netscape and
Explorer. I cannot get onto wiki. On the one occasion I did get in I could
not save an edit. When I sent a message on the wiki list I was told I was a
non-member and it is members only list. What the hell is going on?

JT

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from_name: Thomas Corell

body:
Matthias Jordan wrote:
> Hi, folks!
>
> I'd like to put a new optional feature into Phase-III and wanted to ask
> whether that's OK or not.
>
> When users search, they search by default only in the article namespace
> (rather, in no namespace at all). In new Wikis smaller communities it
> could be very useful to let users search for other namespaces by default
> as well. E.g. many new users will want to search for documentation. I'm
> working for a youth organization and we have many non-computer literate
> members. To let them search for on-site documentation, they have to
> search, fail, click on the correct namespace and search again. My
> feature would enable the admin to define a site-wide default set of
> namespaces to search for that defaults to the currently used set.
>
> Any criticism, hints, additions, objections?

Implement it as part of the preferences of logged-in users. This will
automaticaly enable logged-in users to configure what namespaces they will
search and enables the admins via Language-Files to set each Language to
the behaviour the users there want to have, also including the
not-logged-in ones.

--
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subject: [Wikitech-l] what ???

body:
Anthere wrote:
> What is going on on the fr wiki ?
>
> My prefs are all weird. I do not recognise the skin at
> all.
> And when I edit the page, the edit window is only
> "one" character wide.
> This is not true on the german wiki.
> ???
>
> Does anybody else see that ?

As noi logged-in user in wiki.fr I don't see any of the mentioned problems.

--
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-------------------------  Anthill inside! ---------------------------


from_name: Menchi Zh-En WP

subject: [Wikitech-l] Re: Deleted Image Restoration

body:
Just now, I re-uploaded the same image twice, and clicked "Del" beside THAT
version, fully expecting only that extra version'd be deleted. But nope, all
history of all images are gone, even the description (that had been changed)
too.

However, the image remains, and so do the link-lists: See
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Smaller_map_of_China.png

I tried to restore, but that's not even on the "restore deleted page" list.

Menchi Zh-En

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subject: [WikiEN-l] Announcing Wikimedia Foundation

body:
[Could people please make unofficial translations of this for posting
on *.wikipedia.org wikipedias?]

I'm pleased to announce the existence of the Wikimedia Foundation,
Inc., a nonprofit corporation organized under the laws of Florida,
United States.  I am transferring to this new corporation the assets
that follow:

1. All Nupedia.com/net/org/etc. domain names
2. All Wikipedia.com/net/org/etc. domain names

3. All copyrights in software or articles that were previously owned by
Bomis, Inc. and already placed under a copyleft license.  (This
includes work-for-hire by Jason, Tim, Larry, Toan, Liz, and myself, as
well as any other Bomis employees who may have worked on these
projects as a part of their job, but doesn't include any work by those
parties conducted on their own time or while not an employee of
Bomis.)

(All that stuff was already under GNU GPL or GNU FDL, so the
contribution of copyrights is basically a formality.  Even so, we want
to set a good example.)

4. Additionally, I am contributing all of my personal copyrights to work
already released under GNU GPL or GNU FDL in Wikipedia and Nupedia to
the foundation.

-------

For the time being, the two machines on which Wikipedia runs will be
continue to be owned by Bomis, but my intention is to donate those if
the tax implications make sense.  I have to consult with an accountant
on that, first.

I do NOT encourage you to make donations to the Wikimedia Foundation
just yet!  I am still working on tax exempt status with the IRS, and I
have not yet set up a bank account for the foundation anyway.  Those
things will take a couple more weeks.

On my TODO list here are:

1.  Complete the IRS process for tax-exempt status
2.  Create forms for the transferance of copyrights to the foundation,
if anyone wants to do that.  See:
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-assign.html
for reasons why this might a Good Thing.
3.  Setup a bank account for the foundation
4.  Setup a merchant account for the foundation to make credit-card
donations an easy option

I'll update everyone in a couple of weeks with the status.

--Jimbo


subject: [Wikipedia-l] Announcing Wikimedia Foundation


from_name: Stevertigo

body: Wow. :)


in_reply_to: <3EF3398A.40804@tmbg.org>; from cprompt@tmbg.org on Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 12:42:50PM -0400

body:
cprompt wrote:
> >I'm pleased to announce the existence of the Wikimedia Foundation,
> >Inc., a nonprofit corporation organized under the laws of Florida,
> >United States.
> >
> Woohoo! I didn't expect to see this kind of message for a while. :-D

Well, thanks really go to Erik, who called me on the phone about it
this morning.  That call kicked my butt to investigate the holdup,
only to find that there was no holdup, and everything is ready to
proceed.

Now I'm looking in fear at this huge 43 page IRS document I have
to fill out.  (Form 1023)


from_name: Geoffrey Burling

body:
On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, Jimmy Wales wrote:

> [Could people please make unofficial translations of this for posting
> on *.wikipedia.org wikipedias?]
>
> I'm pleased to announce the existence of the Wikimedia Foundation,
> Inc., a nonprofit corporation organized under the laws of Florida,
> United States.  I am transferring to this new corporation the assets
> that follow:
>
Great news! Thanks, Jimbo.

Two thoughts you may want to add to your TODO list:

1. Once the merchant bank account is set up for the corporation, you
may want to set up a PayPal account for donations over the Internet.
(I'm not pushing PayPal per se -- I believe there are other companies
that do the same thing, & may waive the handling fees for the tax
deduction.)

2. If you continue to subsidize Wikipedia by paying for bandwidth &
co-lo fees (I don't know where the servers are located), you may be
able to deduct these costs too.

Just offering my input,
Geoff


from_name: connie jackson

subject: [Wikipedia-l] unsubscribe

body:
usubscribe

Kulawik <kulawik at biblhertz.it> wrote:(Sorry, if you receive this for the second time - MS Exchange does not
like Mac OS X Mail very much, it seems :-/

German / Deutsch (nur ein Versuch - Bernd :-)

(Achtung: Ich wei? nicht, was IRS ist - s.u. Wei? jemand mehr?)

Ich freue mich die Existenz der Wikimedia Foundation Inc. bekannt zu
geben, die nach den Gesetzen des Staates Florida, Vereinigte Staaten
von Amerika, gegr?ndet wurde. Ich ?bertrage dieser neuen Gesellschaft
folgende Rechtsgegenst?nde:

1. Alle Nupedia.com/net/ort/ usw. Domain-Namen
2. Alle Wikipedia.com/net/org/ usw. Domain-Namen

3. Alle Urheberrechte (copyrights) an Software oder Artikeln die bisher
bei Bomis, Inc., liegen und schon unter der copyleft-Lizenz
ver?ffentlicht wurden. (Dies umfasst Auftragsarbeiten von Jason, Tim,
Larry, Toan, Liz und mir selbst, sowie von anderen Bomis-Angestellten,
die an diesen Projekten im Rahmen ihrer Anstellung gearbeitet haben
m?gen, aber es umfasst nicht Arbeiten von jeden
Beitragenden/Beteiligten, die diese auf eigene Kosten erstellt haben
oder w?hrend sie nicht Angestellte von Bomis waren.)

(All dies wurde bereits unter GNU GPL oder GNU FDL ver?ffentlicht, so
dass die ?bertragung des Copyrights bzw. der Urheberrechte im Grunde
nur eine Formalit?t ist. Trotzdem m?chten wir dies als ein gutes
Beispiel beitragen.)

4. Zus?tzlich ?bertrage ich alle meine pers?nlichen Urheberrechte zu
Werken, die schon unter der GNU GPL oder der GNU FDL zu Wikipedia und
Nupedia entstanden sind, dieser Stiftung (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.).

--------

Zum gegenw?rtigen Zeitpunkt (und bis auf weiteres) geh?ren die beiden
Computer, auf denen Wikipedia l?uft, weiterhin der Bomis, Inc., aber
meine Absicht ist es, diese (der Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.) zu
stiften, sofern dies unter den gegebenen steuerrechtlichen Bestimmungen
/ Implikationen sinnvoll ist. Ich muss hierzu zuerst einen (Steuer-)
Berater befragen.

Ich m?chte Sie NICHT ermutigen, schon jetzt Stiftungen bzw. Spenden an
die Wikimedia Foundation zu richten. Ich arbeite momentan noch in einem
steuerrechtlichen Ausnahmestatus mit dem/der IRS, und ich habe noch
kein Bankkonto f?r die Wikimedia Foundation eingerichtet. Dies wird
noch einige Wochen dauern.

Auf der Liste der n?chsten Arbeiten stehen:

1. Den IRS-Prozesse f?r den steuerrechtlichen Status abzuschlie?en.
2. Erstellung von Formularen f?r die ?bertragung von Urheberrechten
(copyrights) an die Stiftung - falls jemand dies ?bernehmen m?chte,
schaut bitte unter:
http://www.gnu.org/licences/why-assign.html
Dort stehen Gr?nde daf?r, warum dies eine Gute Sache ist.
3. Einrichtung eines Bankkontos f?r die Wikimedia Foundation
4. Einrichtung eines Handels-Kontos f?r die Wikimedia Foundation, um
Geschenke in Form von Creditkarten-?berweisungen m?glichst einfach zu
machen.

Ich werde alle in den kommenden Wochen ?ber den aktuellen Stand auf dem
Laufenden halten.

--- Jimbo

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from_name: Daniel Mayer

subject: [Wikipedia-l] Crown Copyright and the GNU FDL

body:
It seems that some of our ship text has been copied from websites using the
Crown Copyright which reads in part;

"....may be reproduced free of charge in any format or medium for research,
private study or for internal circulation within an organisation."

That may cover Wikipedia itself but not downstream users of our text.

"This is subject to the material being reproduced accurately and not used in a
misleading context."

Having this text on a wiki leads to a very real possibility that the text will
be modified to be something it wasn't before. It is also a very subjective
clause.

"Where any of the Crown copyright items on this site are being republished or
copied to others, the source of the material must be identified and the
copyright status acknowledged."

In other words the Crown Copyright is viral. This IMO is wholly incompatible
with the GNU FDL.

What say you?

-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)


from_name: Dante Alighieri

subject: [WikiEN-l] DW and JC

body:
It has been asserted that JC may be an alias of the banned user DW. I offer
the following as evidence.

http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Protected_page&diff=1064734&oldid=1064730

The only Wikipedians other than DW who have used that stylistic device
("the person going by the user name" and so on) are known aliases of DW.

-----
Dante Alighieri
dalighieri at digitalgrapefruit.com

"The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their
neutrality in times of great moral crisis."
    -Dante Alighieri, 1265-1321


subject: [WikiEN-l] Joe Canuck

body:
Joe Canuck is banned from wikipedia.  Would someone with the
appropriate powers please take the appropriate steps to make this
technically true.

As always, Joe is invited to write to me to discuss this further,
and/or is invited to the mailing list.

Some have expressed a strong conviction that Joe Canuck is the same
person or persons as DW, etc.  I express no opinion on that matter,
and find that Canuck's actions alone are sufficient for banning.  To
the extent that it is true, of course, then just being the same person
is grounds for a continuation of the ban.

--Jimbo


from_name: cprompt

body:
Jimmy Wales wrote:

>I'm pleased to announce the existence of the Wikimedia Foundation,
>Inc., a nonprofit corporation organized under the laws of Florida,
>United States.
>
Woohoo! I didn't expect to see this kind of message for a while. :-D

--

--cprompt


from_name: John R. Owens

body:
On Fri, 2003-06-20 at 11:44, Jimmy Wales wrote:
> cprompt wrote:
> > >I'm pleased to announce the existence of the Wikimedia Foundation,
> > >Inc., a nonprofit corporation organized under the laws of Florida,
> > >United States.
> > >
> > Woohoo! I didn't expect to see this kind of message for a while. :-D
>
> Well, thanks really go to Erik, who called me on the phone about it
> this morning.  That call kicked my butt to investigate the holdup,
> only to find that there was no holdup, and everything is ready to
> proceed.
>
> Now I'm looking in fear at this huge 43 page IRS document I have
> to fill out.  (Form 1023)

Well, could be worse. I misread that as saying "43 _pound_ IRS document"
at first (about 20 kg for you more civilised folk).

--
John R. Owens http://www.ghiapet.homeip.net/
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What do you want, you moon-faced assassin of joy?
				--Londo Mollari


from_name: Andre Engels

subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Article count

body:
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Thomas Corell wrote:

> No, the right select is "SELECT ss_good_articles from site_stats LIMIT 1"
> But you can insert {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} like on the main page on every page
> (theoretically).
>
> The articles are not counted by characters, but by colons. See on Meta-Wiki
> or more information about acrticle counting in the future.

Where on Meta-Wiki?

Andre Engels


subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Article count

body:
On 19 Jun 2003, Erik Moeller wrote:

> Thomas-
> > The articles are not counted by characters, but by colons. See on Meta-Wiki
> > or more information about acrticle counting in the future.
>
> En: already implements the "one link" criterion, that is, articles are
> counted if they contain at least one link. No idea if de: etc. are already
> switched.

As far as I can see, nl: is not. The query

SELECT COUNT(*) FROM cur WHERE cur_text LIKE "%[[%" AND cur_namespace=0 AND cur_is_redirect=0

gives 8475, while the main page gives 6944 (for en: they are reasonably close
- 134469 for the query, 134482 on the main page - difference might come from
edits between the two counts were made).

But it is not comma count either, that gives only 6784 (6791 if redirects
are counted as well). So what is it?

Andre Engels


from_name: wiki pedista

subject: [Wikitech-l] search in spanish wikipedia is not working

body:
The error message given is the syntax error message

Ha ocurrido un error de sintaxis en una consulta a la
base de datos. Esto puede ser debido a una b?squeda
ilegal (ver Buscando en Wikipedia), o puede indicar un
error en el software. La ?ltima consulta que se
intent? fue:
SELECT cur_id,cur_namespace,cur_title,cur_text FROM
cur,searchindex WHERE cur_id=si_page AND ( (MATCH
(si_title) AGAINST ('astronomo')) ) AND cur_namespace
IN (0) LIMIT 0, 20
El error de retorno de MySQL fue"1016: Can't open
file: 'searchindex.MYI'. (errno: 145)".

AstroNomer

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subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Article count

body:
Andre Engels wrote:
>
> Where on Meta-Wiki?

http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_count_reform

--
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subject: [Wikitech-l] Database trouble again

body:
>Hi,
>
>I get
>
>Host 'larousse.wikipedia.org' is blocked because of many
>connection errors. Unblock with 'mysqladmin flush-hosts'
>
>error messages in about 2 from 3 tries to contact wikipedia.
>
>        JeLuF

Brion goes on vacation and everything starts to fall apart. First order of
business of the Wikimedia Foundation is to set up a fund to clone Brion. :-)

--- mav


from_name: Ilya N.

subject: [WikiEN-l] Bad word article

body:
The article [[Fucking Amal]] should be changed...I know many kids who go
to this site.

I would like to also propose a boilerplate text that says something like
this:

"WARNING: This article may countain offensive, or adult articles and links"

but really the article mentioned above should be renamed to something
like [[F... Amal]] or something

-- Ilya N.


subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Announcing Wikimedia Foundation

body:
Hr. Daniel Mikkelsen wrote:
> On 20 Jun 2003, Erik Moeller wrote:
>
>
>>I suggest not submitting this to any major news sites (*cough* Slashdot
>>*cough*) until easy options for donations are in place. So let's keep
>>quiet about this for a while, OK? I know it's hard :).
>
>
> Perhaps even explicitly ask the editors to keep the story down until we're
> ready. (I don't know how to do that, tough.)
>
> -- Daniel

I'm just wondering, "why?"


subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: Bad word article

body:
Erik Moeller wrote:
> Ilya-
>
>>The article [[Fucking Amal]] should be changed...I know many kids who go
>>to this site.
>
>
>>I would like to also propose a boilerplate text that says something like
>>this:
>
>
>>"WARNING: This article may countain offensive, or adult articles and links"
>
>
> Now that is an issue we haven't discussed at any length yet. I invite
> further comments ;-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Erik

well the boilerplate text should go on articles such as:

[[goatse.cx]]
[[shock site]]
[[sex]]
etc.


subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: Joe Canuck

body:
Jimmy Wales wrote:
> Joe Canuck is banned from wikipedia.  Would someone with the
> appropriate powers please take the appropriate steps to make this
> technically true.
>
> As always, Joe is invited to write to me to discuss this further,
> and/or is invited to the mailing list.
>
> Some have expressed a strong conviction that Joe Canuck is the same
> person or persons as DW, etc.  I express no opinion on that matter,
> and find that Canuck's actions alone are sufficient for banning.  To
> the extent that it is true, of course, then just being the same person
> is grounds for a continuation of the ban.
>
> --Jimbo

what has he done?


subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Crown Copyright and the GNU FDL

body:
Arwel Parry wrote:
>which I read as indicating that though my article
>on [[HMS Glasgow]] is legal at the moment, there
>is certainly the possibility that at some time in the
>future someone may come along and edit the article
>so that it's no longer accurate, or becomes misleading.
>Perhaps some rewriting is in order...

I think the intent of the Crown Copyright is mostly in the spirit of an
Open/Free content license so light rewriting and giving the source of the
infomation credit in a references section (without the Crown Copyright notice
since it would just be a simple reference) should do just fine.

Light rewriting = moving some phrases around and changing some words with
equivalent words just enough to pass an exact phrase Google test. Nothing
major or too time consuming.

Of course you would score a major coup for the project by getting the
copyright holder (the Royal Navy if I recall) to allow us to use their text
under terms of the GNU FDL.

Look for the link to the "Boilerplate request for permission" at:
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Boilerplate_text (hopefully this link
will work soon)

-- mav


subject: [WikiEN-l] Related to Mav's WM? (was: Announcing Wikimedia Foundation)

body:
1) Is this the formalization of the Wikimedia website that Mav has talked
about, i.e., to facilitate interwiki image link with a common database? Or
is this just a namesake?

2) What happened to wikimedia.com? I thought Mav bought that site?

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from_name: tarquin

subject: [Wikitech-l] CVS etiquette

body:
ok guys, I'm in!
what's the correct etiquette?

should I commit the changes to LanguageFr.php from the fr: wiki, or let
you know first?

what about stylesheet changes?

what's the procedure for code travelling from the CVS repository to the
test server, to the actual live pedias?

-- tarquin

(PS I'll write replies up into the docs on Meta!)


subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: Bad word article

body:
Jens Frank wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 02:45:08PM -0500, Ilya N. wrote:
>
>>The article [[Fucking Amal]] should be changed...I know many kids who go
>>to this site.
>>
>>I would like to also propose a boilerplate text that says something like
>>this:
>>
>>"WARNING: This article may countain offensive, or adult articles and links"
>>
>>but really the article mentioned above should be renamed to something
>>like [[F... Amal]] or something
>
>
> The film is not named F... Amal. The title should match the film's name.
> And despite the f-word that *every* kid already knows about before reading
> wikipedia, I can't find anything offensive.
>
> 	JeLuF

well then, why don't we just start saying the word every single sentence

hello, ****, mister

I hate you, ****

just because everybody knows it doesn't mean we should use it...

oh well...


body:
Jimmy Wales wrote:
>I'm pleased to announce the existence of the
>Wikimedia Foundation, Inc., a nonprofit corporation
>organized under the laws of Florida, United States.
>I am transferring to this new corporation the assets
>that follow:
>
>1. All Nupedia.com/net/org/etc. domain names
>2. All Wikipedia.com/net/org/etc. domain names

>3. All copyrights in software or articles that were
>previously owned by Bomis, Inc. and already placed
>under a copyleft license.  (This includes work-for-hire
>by Jason, Tim, Larry, Toan, Liz, and myself, as well as
>any other Bomis employees who may have worked on
>these projects as a part of their job, but doesn't include
>any work by thoseparties conducted on their own time
>or while not an employee of Bomis.)

Sweet! Thanks for setting up the Foundation (especially with the name
"Wikimedia"). As the owner of the Wikimedia.org and Wiktionary.org domain
names I hereby transfer ownership and control of these domain names to the
Wikimedia Foundation as soon as it is in the position to receive these assets
(per your personal email to me Jimbo).

I also noticed the Nupedia stuff. Does that mean that Nupedia is also now part
of the Wikimedia family? I'm not certain if the Nupedians (if there are any
left or who care) would be too happy about that.... Oh well, maybe we can
bring some life to that project. I still think Nupedia (perhaps under the
name GNUpedia) should be refactored to be a repository of expert-approved
Wikipedia articles (along the lines of Larry's Sifter project). Thus that
project would be a stable distribution of Wikipedia content but all editing
would still take place at Wikipedia.

Which reminds me that gnupedia.org and gnupedia.com are also owned by Bomis
(IIRC). Are these domain names included with point 1?

Oh, and I'm going to assign copyright to all my edits to Wikimedia as part of
my Will and since I plan on living a very long time it will be awhile before
Wikimedia owns my text. I am still weary about having one entity in control
of so much content (which brings up the possibility of proprietary forks if,
for example, Wikimedia goes bankrupt and creditors try to sell Wikimedia's
assets).

Is there a way for Wikipedia authors to grant Wikimedia the ability to defend
the author's GNU FDLd copyrighted text without requiring the author to
transfer ownership to Wikimedia? Or am I confusing "ownership" and
"assignment"?

-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)


subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: Bad word article

body:
The Cunctator wrote:
> On 6/20/03 3:45 PM, "Ilya N." <ilyanep at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>The article [[Fucking Amal]] should be changed...I know many kids who go
>>to this site.
>>
>>I would like to also propose a boilerplate text that says something like
>>this:
>>
>>"WARNING: This article may countain offensive, or adult articles and links"
>>
>>but really the article mentioned above should be renamed to something
>>like [[F... Amal]] or something
>>
>
> No. You should become more conversant with established Wikipedia policy on
> such issues.

Ok, ok, I get them message


subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: Joe Canuck

body:
The Cunctator wrote:
> On 6/20/03 4:20 PM, "Erik Moeller" <erik_moeller at gmx.de> wrote:
>
>
>>Jimmy-
>>
>>>Joe Canuck is banned from wikipedia.  Would someone with the
>>>appropriate powers please take the appropriate steps to make this
>>>technically true.
>>
>>Done. Technically, however, he will be back under a new nick tomorrow.
>>
>
> Frankly, as long as under his new nick he acts as a good Wikipedian, who
> cares?
>
> But yes, he probably won't. C'est dommage.

what does this have to do with cheese?


subject: [Wikitech-l] CVS etiquette

body:
Erik Moeller wrote:

>
>Use your own judgment: If it's a minor change, commit, then announce.
>

I've uploaded the new LanguageFr.php.
(yay! it worked!)
Please could it go live fairly soon, the fr: have been waiting for their
dates to be fixed for several weeks!

> If
>it's a major change, announce, wait for objections, then commit.
>
once I've had a look at the stylesheets I'll post a list of what I plan
on doing.