body:
Wikimedia Foundation Meeting La Maison des Metallos, Paris, 4 July 2004.

Present: Angela Beesley, Florence Nibart-Devouard and Jimmy Wales.

1) Wikimedia website
2) Developer issues
3) Grants and Official Positions
4) Trademark
5) Board members
6) AOB

1) Wikimedia website

The aim of the Foundation website is to increase the visibility and
transparency of the Foundation and to provide a central location and
summary of all the information.

It was decided to host the Wikimedia Foundation website on a separate
wiki (see http://wikimedia.org/wiki). This allows other users to add
translations, and to help with the addition of technical details,
including page views. Some pages, such as the mission statement, will
be protected and editable only by the Board. Users can suggest changes
to these on Meta, and the changes will be adopted onto the main site
following Board approval.

A number of translations will be needed for widely spoken languages,
including those which currently have only small Wikipedias, such as
Spanish.

Information for the press will be included in a summarized format.
Efforts will be made to keep this up to date, unlike the current pages
on Wikimedia.

Global policies, such as privacy and terms of use, will be included on
this website. While respecting the "wiki way", these will need to be
approved by the board before they are changed for legal reasons.

The wiki will not be open to anonymous edits and only authorized
accounts will be opened.

2) Developer issues

The creation of a developer committee was proposed, with one or two
developers to be assigned official positions by Board.

Sub-committees should be developed, such as one to discuss ways of
checking performance. It was noted that Looxix had requested shell
access to help with the tracking of performance related issues.

Assignment of shell access was discussed and the issue of whom should
be allowed to hand out such access was raised. It was proposed that
when a developer committee is formed, they work on a policy to cover
such issues.

Plans for downtime are needed. The developers should be aware of who
is responsible for ensuring downtime notices are placed on the site,
and that the relevant people, such as Brion Vibber, are informed of
downtime.

Plans to avoid unnecessary downtime should be made.

When planning the hardware architecture, it was noted that we need to
think longer term about this.

3) Grants and Official Positions

When making grant applications, it is important to present a united
front. We should not be presenting multiple applications from
different users without knowing who is sending what. We must appear to
be collaborating on this, so all applications should be logged at one
central location.

Some grant applications require an authorized signature. It was
proposed that grant applications be double signed by the person making
the application and by one member of the Board. This requirement will
be noted on the Wikimedia Foundation website to prevent non-authorized
applications which are not made in the name of Wikimedia.

The Board does not believe there should be any requirements that
people be qualified in any particular field to hold an official
position. We should not limit these places to professionals.

4) Trademark

There is a requirement for certain standards to be met in the places
our logo is used. We should aim to be NPOV rather than give the
impression that the Foundation is endorsing anything. Particular care
should be taken in printed versions that advertising is appropriately
marked as such, and does not appear to be an endorsement.

A policy for situations in which the logo may be used will be
developed. This will ensure it is only used in a way which is
consistent with the community's values.

The situation regarding the rights to use the logo is not yet clear.
Jimbo is in contact with David Friedland (Nohat) about this. It was
felt important that David would not have veto rights over where the
logo is used.

5) Board members

Tim and Michael will have less active involvement than the other
members of the Board but Jimbo stated that their presence on the Board
would not mean the votes of Angela and Anthere would be automatically
overridden. It was suggested that the Board should be enlarged at some
point, possibly later this year, and that prominent people external to
Wikipedia could be invited to hold positions on the Board.

6) AOB

Jimbo will contact a German lawyer regarding the registration of the
Wikimedia trademark in Germany, which someone else is currently
attempting to register.

Alex Roshuk is completing the forms required to gain 501(c)3 status.

Approval was given for the proposed email from the German Wikipedia to
wissen-de regarding our copyright violation.

Daniel Mayer was appointed to the position of Chief Financial Officer.
He will work closely with Anthere on financial matters. Jimbo will ask
Michael Davis to take on the role of treasurer. Michael will have the
role of overseeing the finances at the end of the year, and
occasionally during the year, but Anthere will be responsible for this
on a more day-to-day basis.

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from_name: Ray Saintonge

body:
Daniel Mayer wrote:

>> User:Pallusmagnus (may be misspelled) was the actual
>>
>>originator of the 3d logo, which Nohat simply
>>augmented, (albeit substantially). If there's an issue
>>of IP/conceptual ownership (GFDL??) PM would have far
>>more rights to it than NH.
>>
>>
>
>It was my understanding that all logos were released under terms of the GNU FDL
>and with implicit permission granted to the foundation to use the images as its
>trademarks.
>
>
Wouldn't the exclusive use of the logo as a trademark be inconsistent
with the GFDL idea that something is being released for free use by
everybody?

Ec


from_name: Andre Engels

subject: [Foundation-l] Wikicommons take 5

body:
I'm sending this message to once again ask for Wikicommons (or Wikimagery or
whatever) to be created. Just so everyone knows that there are still people
who want this.

Andre Engels
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list: wikien-l

from_name: sannse

subject: [WikiEN-l] Trolling poll

body:
I'd like to point to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_is_a_troll

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Trolling_poll

The first is an impressive piece of work by User:Snowspinner and others on
how we might define trolling.  The second is a poll on the definition and on
a potential policy based on it.

My own view is that allowing admins to block on the basis of "trolling" is
very risky.  It is too subjective and open for abuse, the current policy of
allowing blocks for "simple vandalism" is already problematic enough.

I would support the policy if enforced by the Arbitration Committee
however - that would increase the safety, both by slowing down the process
(sometimes too much maybe, but that's better than instant bans in my view)
and by making the decision a group one rather than by a single
administrator.

My other concern is directed at Jimbo.  Until now banning policy has
basically be set by him, and I wonder about the validity of any major policy
change in this area set by poll.  I'd be interested to know - if this is
agreed, would it be a valid policy?

Regards

sannse


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from_name: Sheldon Rampton

subject: [Wikitech-l] Re: Adding features to Mediawiki

body:
Tim Starling wrote (regarding my request for the ability to require
registration via a confirmed email account):

>I started writing a feature which did exactly that. An extra email field
>in the user table, Special:Userlogin modifications to allow email
>confirmation, even IIRC a modification to Article.php and User.php to
>inform users that they can't post because they haven't confirmed. My
>intention was to use this feature to allow Halifax residents to
>contribute to Wikipedia if they have a confirmed email address, hence I
>also made some changes to ipblocks to allow email confirmation to be
>switched on and off depending on IP address. I got maybe 60% of the way
>through it before deciding that it wasn't such an important feature for
>Wikipedia, and I shelved it. I'll see if I can dig  up and post what
>I've done.

That's great. As I stated previously, the Center for Media &
Democracy (my employer) has some funds available to pay a programmer
to do this. If you're not seeking payment yourself, perhaps we could
make payment instead in the form of a donation to the Wikimedia
Foundation. If Tim or anyone else here is interested in pursuing this
with us further, please contact me on- or off-list so that we can
discuss terms.

--Sheldon Rampton


from_name: Brion Vibber

subject: [Wikitech-l] Logfiles?

body:
Bill Clark wrote:
> I'm assuming the logs aren't made public because of privacy concerns
> (being able to associate  usernames with IP addresses, etc.) and also
> because most people simply wouldn't care.

That, and they're also rather large, at hundreds of megabytes per day.
Log processing has been something of a burden which takes CPU time and
IO bandwidth away from the web *serving* work, which is why the
webalizer stats have often gone unupdated.

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
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from_name: Leonard Vertighel

subject: [Wikitech-l] Re: Fwd: Multiple categories

body:
Am Samstag, 10. Juli 2004 14:40 schrieb DaB. at gmx.de:

> Hello,
> short Question: Why you don't use "&&" like in Java? If you do so, you can
> later use "||" for OR and "!!" for NOT.
>
> With this you can realise "Category:9/11&&People" and more complexe querys
> like "Category:9/11&&People||buildings" which gives all People or Buildings
> which have to do with 9/11.

For such complex queries I guess you'd have to define an operator precedence,
or you would have to use brackets all the time: "Category:9/11&&(People||
Buildings)" is something completely different than "Category:(9/11&&People)||
Buildings", which is not what you want. Isn't that too complex for
the average user?


from_name: Michael Diederich

subject: [Wikitech-l] Re: https

references:
<3312661.6QDcuGLpZV@mobil.md-d.org> <ccn48o$bic$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<5086636.gSrsNgYLy7@mobil.md-d.org> <40F04714.3090108@pobox.com>

body:
<begin name="Brion Vibber" date="Saturday 10 July 2004 21:44"/>

Thx for the reply. I am not an technical, but when i understood Bill
correctly, it is possible. I just know:

> Further there's the certificate issue; would we be content with a
> self-signed certificate (BIG WARNINGS in your browser every time you
> login) or will we spend the foundation's money for a big fancy
> corporation's stamp of approval?

the german Chaos Computer Club (CCC) signs ssl-certificates for free.

Best regards,

da didi
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from_name: Jens Frank

subject:
[Wikitech-l] Re: [MediaWiki-CVS] phase3/includes Skin.php, 1.225,
	1.226

body:
On Sat, Jul 10, 2004 at 05:56:30PM +0000, Magnus Manske wrote:
> Update of /cvsroot/wikipedia/phase3/includes
> In directory sc8-pr-cvs1.sourceforge.net:/tmp/cvs-serv1517/includes
>
> Modified Files:
> 	Skin.php
> Log Message:
> Now with manual thumbnail option (thumb=xyz.jpg)
>

Hallo Magnus,

da habe ich auch schon mal drueber nachgedacht. Ich schwanke noch
etwas zwischen

[[Image:Big.jpg|thumb=small.jpg|something big]]

und

[[Image:small.jpg|framed|link=Image:Big.jpg|something big]]

Letzteres ist flexibler, erlaubt zum Beispiel auch

[[Bild:Nuernberger_burg.jpg|thumb|link=Galerie Nuernberg|Bilder aus Nuernberg]]

Was denkst Du?

Gruesse,

	jens


body:
sorry, this was intended to be private mail, but I didn't notice the reply-to
header :-(

On Sat, Jul 10, 2004 at 10:14:59PM +0200, Jens Frank wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 10, 2004 at 05:56:30PM +0000, Magnus Manske wrote:
> > Update of /cvsroot/wikipedia/phase3/includes
> > In directory sc8-pr-cvs1.sourceforge.net:/tmp/cvs-serv1517/includes
> >
> > Modified Files:
> > 	Skin.php
> > Log Message:
> > Now with manual thumbnail option (thumb=xyz.jpg)
> >
>
> Hallo Magnus,
>
> da habe ich auch schon mal drueber nachgedacht. Ich schwanke noch
> etwas zwischen
>
> [[Image:Big.jpg|thumb=small.jpg|something big]]
>
> und
>
> [[Image:small.jpg|framed|link=Image:Big.jpg|something big]]
>
> Letzteres ist flexibler, erlaubt zum Beispiel auch
>
> [[Bild:Nuernberger_burg.jpg|thumb|link=Galerie Nuernberg|Bilder aus Nuernberg]]
>
> Was denkst Du?
>
> Gruesse,
>
> 	jens
> _______________________________________________
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> Wikitech-l at Wikipedia.org
> http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
>
>


from_name: Bill Clark

subject: [Wikitech-l] Logfiles?

body:
I'm trying to find copies of the Apache and/or Squid logfiles, but all
I can locate are the Webalizer reports.

There are a variety of custom reports I'd like to generate, such as
ones that determine which links into a given article are most/least
used, etc.  Webalizer doesn't provide adequate information to
determine this, and I'd need to write a custom Perl script to run on
the raw logfiles.

I'm assuming the logs aren't made public because of privacy concerns
(being able to associate  usernames with IP addresses, etc.) and also
because most people simply wouldn't care.

Is there a way that "sanitized" versions (i.e. with user information
removed) of the most recent logs can be made available for download,
as the database dumps are now?

-Bill Clark


from_name: Nikola Smolenski

body:
On Saturday 10 July 2004 21:56, Leonard Vertighel wrote:
> Am Samstag, 10. Juli 2004 14:40 schrieb DaB. at gmx.de:
> > Hello,
> > short Question: Why you don't use "&&" like in Java? If you do so, you
> > can later use "||" for OR and "!!" for NOT.
> >
> > With this you can realise "Category:9/11&&People" and more complexe
> > querys like "Category:9/11&&People||buildings" which gives all People or
> > Buildings which have to do with 9/11.
>
> For such complex queries I guess you'd have to define an operator
> precedence, or you would have to use brackets all the time:
> "Category:9/11&&(People|| Buildings)" is something completely different
> than "Category:(9/11&&People)|| Buildings", which is not what you want.
> Isn't that too complex for the average user?

OR having precedence over AND would suit most of the needs. As I said, Google
does it that way. For those needs which are not suited, brackets are an
option.


from_name: Daniel Mayer

subject:
[Foundation-l] Q3 server budget adjustment ;
	J curve time for future budgets

body:
Update - None of this is official yet:

After many hours checking and rechecking my numbers, I've found that my
previous preliminary estimate of $25K to $30K for a quarter 3 budget was a bit
off. The problem was with my estimate of the amount of money we previously
spent per 1000 hits over the last year. I figured *total* previous hits and
then applied that to projected *increases* in hits in the future. Thus my
estimate was too optimistic.

After recalculating for past *increases* in traffic I've found that if our
traffic increases 90.53% over last quarter by the end of this quarter we will
have to buy $29K to $35K dollars worth of new servers to keep up with the
increase (if we don't have any traffic increase, then we won't have to spend a
dime unless a server has to be replaced). This figure includes a Moore's Law
adjustment which assumes we will be able to serve ~17% more hits per new server
dollar over last quarter (I'm still not 100% confident that that is a valid
assumption - any ideas?). The previous $25K to $30K estimate *did not* include
a Moore's Law adjustment.

Other possibilities:
% growth        35.22%	    254.90%	20.00%     50.00%      100.00%
$/1000 hits	$11,274.81  $81,595.03	$6,402.22  $16,005.54  $32,011.09
Average		$13,609.25  $98,489.19	$7,727.79  $19,319.47	$38,638.95

NOTE: The 35.22% figure is the actual growth from Q1 to Q2 and the 254.90%
figure is the actual growth from Q4 2003 to Q1 2004. The average quarter to
quarter growth over the last couple years, however, is about 90%. But who knows
if this quarter will follow that or do something unpredictable like the last
two quarters.

For the grant proposal I projected 90% quarterly compounded hit growth into
2006. The results are a bit shocking due to exponential growth.

Year	annual budget
2004 	$110K - $132K
2005	$660K - $797K
2006	$4200K - $5078K

This assumes business as usual (meaning we continue to use the same kind of
commodity-grade rack-mount servers and do not have any real time mirrors -
migrating to 'big-iron' servers and making use of a worldwide squid/mirror
system will mitigate for this).

But there are still probably more errors in my estimates and I doubt we can
continue exponential growth for too long into the future (at least not at the
same absurd rate - 30% hit growth compounded quarterly would be much more
manageable but still exponential).

I'll upload my spreadsheet to meta later so that others can check/improve my
analysis.

Off to bed now though.

Daniel Mayer,
Wikimedia CFO

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from_name: Michael Snow

subject: [Foundation-l] Re: NEH Grant résumés

body:
reflection at gmail.com wrote:

>I have taken up the /Staff section of of the grant application.
>Having consulted with others the best way to do this seems to be for
>anyone willing to help with the grant to send a r?sum? to
>reflection at gmail.com.  I will compile them.  Please tailor your
>experiences/education towards relevancy to WikiMedia.
>
>We are especially interested in r?sum?s from developers and
>bureaucrats, but all are necessarily welcome. All Board members are
>asked to submit.  In addition, we need as many people as possible to
>answer the following questions.  Please do not reply to the mailing
>list, but to reflection at gmail.com  This will prevent clutter and will
>maintain your privacy/anonymity.
>
>1) What is your full name and nickname? (Include a URL to your user page).
>
>2) Describe your duties at Wikipedia and qualifications for those
>duties.  If you have a title what is your title, and how long have you
>held it.
>
>3) Indicate the amount of time that you, the projects staff,
>anticipate committing to the project on a monthly basis (hours), and
>for how many months, years.
>
If the author of this email is not willing to even identify themselves
to us, I don't see why any of us would want to send them a r?sum?. Also,
I can't understand why r?sum?s from bureaucrats would be requested in
this context.

Note that the Staff section of the grant page was only just made into a
subpage by an IP address. It has since been edited only by that same IP
address and a user named Alterego (except for one minor edit by
Eloquence). The username, plus Alterego's extremely short contribution
history on Meta and en:, sets off all my sockpuppet alerts. In fact, my
initial impulse is to attribute this to Bird, given that user's peculiar
interest in "exposing" Wikipedia as a front for who knows what. No doubt
Bird could concoct all kinds of conspiracy theories out of our
collective r?sum?s.

If the request is legitimate, and I'm the one spinning conspiracy
theories, then two (actually, three) requests. One, could you please
tell us who you really are? Two, would somebody who's a little more "in
charge" of the grant process, like Danny or one of the board members,
confirm that soliciting this information is actually necessary and
appropriate at this time? Finally, when you reply to a digest version of
this list, please do not include the entire digest in your reply. Thank you.

--Michael Snow


subject: [Foundation-l] Re: NEH Grant résumés


subject: [Foundation-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation Meeting, 4 July 2004

body:
Angela_ wrote:

>5) Board members
>
>Tim and Michael will have less active involvement than the other
>members of the Board but Jimbo stated that their presence on the Board would not mean the votes of Angela and Anthere would be automatically overridden. It was suggested that the Board should be enlarged at some point, possibly later this year, and that prominent people external to Wikipedia could be invited to hold positions on the Board.
>
While it might be nice to recruit prominent Board members from outside
Wikipedia (this could help with visibility and fundraising), we also
need to be sure that people on the Board are willing to be actively
involved. Tim Shell and Michael Davis are okay for now, as associates of
Jimbo, but without a professional staff to run the Foundation we can't
afford to have most of our Board members at that level of involvement.
One possibility is to include additional community representation as
part of any Board expansion. Another idea is that these prominent
people, if they can't make the commitment necessary to serve on the
Board, might be given other advisory roles instead.

It's also possible for the Board to get too big, so that it's no longer
effective or able to make decisions when needed. At five members, we're
certainly not in danger of that yet, but it's something that must be
considered if we expand the Board.

>6) AOB
>
>Jimbo will contact a German lawyer regarding the registration of the
>Wikimedia trademark in Germany, which someone else is currently
>attempting to register.
>
This is the first I've heard about this attempt. If it's not too much
trouble, I would be interested to get some more information about it
(off-list is fine). I might also be able to help with the communications
if necessary, since I speak German, though I have no particular training
in German law.

--Michael Snow


from_name: daniwo59 at aol.com

subject: [Foundation-l] fundraising proposal #1

body:
Given the increasing costs of hardware in Mav's report, it seems as if we
have to begin taking drastic measures to keep up to speed withour growth. One
possibility is that we begin compiling a snail mail list of potential donors, to
whom we begin sending out solicitations. Donation requests would be small
($5-$50), but this might provide some income over the coming months. Of course,
printing and postage would be costly, but this would be an initial investment
with hoped-for returns. Costs would include printing of a letter, postage, and a
postage-paid return envelope and form.

While I am not enthralled with this idea, it does work with other charities.
What do other people think?

Danny
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body:
Given the increasing costs of hardware in Mav's report, it seems as if we
have to begin taking drastic measures to keep up to speed withour growth. One
possibility is that we begin compiling a snail mail list of potential donors, to
whom we begin sending out solicitations. Donation requests would be small
($5-$50), but this might provide some income over the coming months. Of course,
printing and postage would be costly, but this would be an initial investment
with hoped-for returns. Costs would include printing of a letter, postage, and a
postage-paid return envelope and form.

While I am not enthralled with this idea, it does work with other charities.
What do other people think?

Danny
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body:
Given the increasing costs of hardware in Mav's report, it seems as if we
have to begin taking drastic measures to keep up to speed withour growth. One
possibility is that we begin compiling a snail mail list of potential donors, to
whom we begin sending out solicitations. Donation requests would be small
($5-$50), but this might provide some income over the coming months. Of course,
printing and postage would be costly, but this would be an initial investment
with hoped-for returns. Costs would include printing of a letter, postage, and a
postage-paid return envelope and form.

While I am not enthralled with this idea, it does work with other charities.
What do other people think?

Danny
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body:
Given the increasing costs of hardware in Mav's report, it seems as if we
have to begin taking drastic measures to keep up to speed withour growth. One
possibility is that we begin compiling a snail mail list of potential donors, to
whom we begin sending out solicitations. Donation requests would be small
($5-$50), but this might provide some income over the coming months. Of course,
printing and postage would be costly, but this would be an initial investment
with hoped-for returns. Costs would include printing of a letter, postage, and a
postage-paid return envelope and form.

While I am not enthralled with this idea, it does work with other charities.
What do other people think?

Danny
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subject: [Wikitech-l] Categorization

body:
Wikisource has been working on its own way of dealing with categories,
and we would like to integrate them with the development of infoboxes.
We would (1) like the categories to be listed in the infobox, but we
would also (2) like the article to be listed along with the other
articles in that category.  See
http://sources.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robinson_Crusoe  Using [Category:xxx]
accomplishes (2) but not (1), while using [:Category:xxx] reverses these
results.

In other words, what is the best way to have an article listed in its
proper category, while having the link appear right where we want it on
a page?

Ec


from_name: Dietrich von Hase

subject:
[Foundation-l] German Trademark - Wikimedia Foundation Meeting,
	4 July 2004

body:
Hi,

>
>Jimbo will contact a German lawyer regarding the registration of the
>Wikimedia trademark in Germany, which someone else is currently
>attempting to register.
>
There are laws and a ruling in Germany for the name protection of
existing publication titles
(newspapers, book, films, online-magazines, etc.). So most probably such
a trademark
application must fail it its made in the fields of publication and media.

However, this targeted try to misuse trademark registration services
indicates, that we
will see much more of it in the future in more and more counties when
the name
Wikipedia gets spread and of more value.

To avoid such attempts from the beginning own trademark registration
would be
really the best. Think of the workload in contacting lawyers in more and
more
countries.  A EU-trademark application in Alicante (Spain) costs about
3.100 US$
(2.600 Euro) and covers the EU-countries - see http://oami.eu.int/.

Dietrich
hase at akademie.de


subject: [Wikitech-l] BCE vs. BC preference for DateFormatter

body:
I'd like to propose that an option be added to display years according
to the BCE convention rather than the current BC one.

It looks like within DateFormatter.php,

NormalYear() will need to understand the extra option,

the switch statement within replace() will need to have a case for it,

and a new regex/key/target/rule will need to be added into DateFormatter().

Also, wfMsg("dateformat") will need to be updated appropriately.

Is there anything else I'm missing?  Would anyone be willing to help
me with this (I'm really loathe to start creating diffs until I
understand the code better).

-Bill Clark


from_name: Magnus Manske

subject: [Wikitech-l] Thumbnails

body:
IMHO the argument "~200px" is very nice (I don't recall who suggested
it). "1/3" or "25%" could also be supported.

BTW, I just commited the "thumb=xyz.jpg" option to CVS HEAD. That seemed
to be the primary concern. I'll get to the other things later.

Magnus

Bill Clark wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:43:39 -0400, Fennec Foxen <fennec at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Exactly- there should be a way to say "about 200px wide, whatever size
>>looks best in that region".
>>
>>
>
>Maybe the sizing option could be given as both a dropdown (with
>precisely 1/2 size, 1/3 size, 1/4 size, etc.) and a regular text input
>that allows arbitrary dimensions.
>
>Or a checkbox that says "allow the dimensions to vary slightly, to
>improve image quality."
>
>I think the second way would be better, but that's just me.
>
>-Bill
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subject: [Wikitech-l] [Fwd: Re: Wikipedia - cookie error]

body:
J. Grant wrote:
> In Mozilla 1.4 I have a huge list of thousands of "blocked" sites, for
> which I have to hunt for wikipedia to remove the domain which is there.
> There is no way to remove all ".wikipedia.org" domains without
> manually reading all domain names which are not sorted by their org,
> domain, host order.

First check the complete hostname. Then check it with a "." at the
front. Then strip off the first part ('www' or 'en' or whatever).
Continue until you find the correct hostname.

Mozilla's cookie manager UI is pretty crappy, unfortunately, but you
need to learn to deal with it if you're going to use it. That's not our
problem, sorry.

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
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subject: [Foundation-l] fundraising proposal #1

body:
--- daniwo59 at aol.com wrote:
> Given the increasing costs of hardware in Mav's report, it seems as if we
> have to begin taking drastic measures to keep up to speed withour growth.

Yep - we seem to have started to enter the vertical part of J curve growth.
Notice the jump from 4900K hits/day in May to 12100K hits/day in June. Did we
have any extraordinary media attention in June to explain that?

> One possibility is that we begin compiling a snail mail list of potential
> donors, to whom we begin sending out solicitations. Donation requests would
> be small ($5-$50), but this might provide some income over the coming
> months. Of course, printing and postage would be costly, but this would be
> an initial investment with hoped-for returns. Costs would include printing
> of a letter, postage, and a postage-paid return envelope and form.

Ick! I throw out at least a few of those every week. Opt-in email lists would
be a better place to start, IMO. We could spend out a quarterly newsletter to
past donors who agree to receive such a document and also make a donation pitch
in the same email. An opt-in checkbox to receive such a newsletter for each new
user account on any Wikimedia wiki might also be a good idea.

IIRC, Jimbo mentioned having advertisements in that type of thing not-unlike
National Geographic. Heck, we could also include quarterly WikiReader
selections in such a newsletter and make it *become* a lot like National
Geographic.

In addition, we need to set-up a membership fee structure so that recurring
donations can be collected.

Once all that is in place and is successful we can think about also printing
hardcopies and sending them to recurring donors who give at least a certain set
amount of money. Everybody else would receive a pdf.

-- mav

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subject: [Foundation-l] fundraising proposal #1


subject: [Foundation-l] fundraising proposal #1

body:
--- Erik Moeller <erik_moeller at gmx.de> wrote:
> ...
> What I think we should do is have a fundraiser twice a year, with a
> dynamically updated progress bar (we can get this developed now by putting
> a bounty on it), a list of recent donors and a list of top donors. During
> the time of the fundraising (a week or so every year), this progress bar
> would occupy the top 10-20% of screen space on all Wikimedia projects. It
> should be possible to directly make a donation from any Wikimedia page
> during the fundraising - just a single click. We would specify the goal
> beforehand and link to the detailed budget.

This is all a great idea, but I would have such a fund drive every quarter
since projecting our budgetary needs out half a year involves a bit of hand
waving since our growth is neither linear nor that predictable.

> We have more traffic than Slashdot. I think reaching our goals will not be
> as difficult as some people appear to think. It's just a matter of
> exposure.

Actually we are *way* ahead of Slashdot and now even occasionally pass up
FoxNews.com on a daily basis (CNN.com is still out of reach). Not to mention
the fact that we have left NPR.org, Reuters.com, AP.org, MSNBC.com, Salon.com,
WSJ.com and other multi-million dollar media outlets who have a very important
web presense in the dust.

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia.org_is_more_popular_than...#News_and_Media_sites

-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)

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subject: [Foundation-l] fundraising proposal #1


from_name: Slow Poke

body:
On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 20:04:21 +0100, J. Grant <jg at jguk.org> wrote:
snip
> In Mozilla 1.4 I have a huge list of thousands of "blocked" sites, for
> which I have to hunt for wikipedia to remove the domain which is there.
> There is no way to remove all ".wikipedia.org" domains without
> manually reading all domain names which are not sorted by their org,
> domain, host order.

You could just look at the hostperm.1 file used to store the blocks on
your profile directory, search for wikipedia or wikimedia with a text
editor, and remove them that way.

--
[[en:User:Dori]]


from_name: reflection at gmail.com

subject: [Foundation-l] NEH Grant résumés

body:
I have taken up the /Staff section of of the grant application.
Having consulted with others the best way to do this seems to be for
anyone willing to help with the grant to send a r?sum? to
reflection at gmail.com.  I will compile them.  Please tailor your
experiences/education towards relevancy to WikiMedia.

We are especially interested in r?sum?s from developers and
bureaucrats, but all are necessarily welcome. All Board members are
asked to submit.  In addition, we need as many people as possible to
answer the following questions.  Please do not reply to the mailing
list, but to reflection at gmail.com  This will prevent clutter and will
maintain your privacy/anonymity.

1) What is your full name and nickname? (Include a URL to your user page).

2) Describe your duties at Wikipedia and qualifications for those
duties.  If you have a title what is your title, and how long have you
held it.

3) Indicate the amount of time that you, the projects staff,
anticipate committing to the project on a monthly basis (hours), and
for how many months, years.

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 16:26:54 +0000 (UTC),
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>    4. Re: Re: NEH grant (Daniel Mayer)
>    5. Status of logo copyright (Angela_)
>    6. Re: NEH grant (Michael Snow)
>    7. Re: Status of logo copyright (Imran Ghory)
>    8. Re: Status of logo copyright (Imran Ghory)
>    9. Wikimedia Foundation Meeting, 4 July 2004 (Angela_)
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 00:52:46 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Daniel Mayer <maveric149 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] NEH grant
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <20040709075246.29141.qmail at web51608.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> --- Sj <2.718281828 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:28:46 -0700 (PDT), Christopher Mahan
> > And we should renew our efforts to get support through donation, no
> > matter what.  Demonstrating a strong ongoing base of community support will
> > help overcome the obstacle of not yet being a proper 501c3.
>
> I completely agree.
>
> > I agree wholeheartedly with this:
> >
> > > I would rather mav publish a monthly budget and post that to the
> > > front page, like this:
>
> A monthly budget will require a monthly trustee meeting to approve such a
> document before posting. But doing so on the front page of any Wikimedia
> website seems to be like begging to me (or at least too much emphasis on
> financial matters). A permanent link and/or mention on the fundraising page
> along with a temporary mention on every page during fund drives seems to be
> enough, IMO.
>
> > We should spur donations right away.  I hope we are planning to
> > get new machines in the coming week(s?); we need to replace the
> > money we are spending.  $2500 a month sounds like a reasonable
> > budget estimate for the rest of the year, and I think we could easily
> > meet that need through contributions.
>
> I have forecasted that we will need to spend between $25,000 to $30,000 on
> hardware this quarter to keep up with the projected increase in traffic over
> last quarter. If our growth rate continues at 90% compounded quarterly, then we
> should expect to have to spend a bit less than twice that amount in Q4.
>
> Things get a bit scary after that if we continue growing at the same rate (I'm
> still working on mitigating factors such as Moores law and still need to check
> with the developers to see if page requests, visits, or something else are a
> better measure of traffic - I've been using page requests).
>
> In short - $2500 per month will not be enough.
>
> Also, with all those servers the need for a full time on-site server admin
> increases.
>
> Daniel Mayer,
> Wikimedia CFO
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 01:14:18 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Daniel Mayer <maveric149 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Re: NEH grant
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <20040709081418.99181.qmail at web51602.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> --- Michael Snow <wikipedia at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > ...
> > However, it would be nice to see more frequent updates just about
> > fundraising progress, which is what this suggestion focuses on. Those
> > who are particularly interested in this should be encouraged to donate
> > the funds necessary so that we can start paying Mav a salary. Otherwise,
> > it's unfair to expect anyone to assume that burden.
>
> Actually please don't donate money for that - giving me money will not increase
> the number of hours in the day or reduce the number of hours I need to sleep
> (Wikipedia/Wikimedia is nearly a second full time job for me). Also, doing so
> would only add a small incentive for me to do more work in this area since I
> strongly suspect that such pay would pale in comparison to what I now receive
> as a GIS specialist (thus I would have to keep my day job). A full time server
> admin is far more important.
>
> More voluneers welcome in the finance department. :)
>
> -- mav
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 01:14:25 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Daniel Mayer <maveric149 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Re: NEH grant
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <20040709081425.83878.qmail at web51606.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> --- Michael Snow <wikipedia at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > ...
> > However, it would be nice to see more frequent updates just about
> > fundraising progress, which is what this suggestion focuses on. Those
> > who are particularly interested in this should be encouraged to donate
> > the funds necessary so that we can start paying Mav a salary. Otherwise,
> > it's unfair to expect anyone to assume that burden.
>
> Actually please don't donate money for that - giving me money will not increase
> the number of hours in the day or reduce the number of hours I need to sleep
> (Wikipedia/Wikimedia is nearly a second full time job for me). Also, doing so
> would only add a small incentive for me to do more work in this area since I
> strongly suspect that such pay would pale in comparison to what I now receive
> as a GIS specialist (thus I would have to keep my day job). A full time server
> admin is far more important.
>
> More voluneers welcome in the finance department. :)
>
> -- mav
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 01:14:32 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Daniel Mayer <maveric149 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Re: NEH grant
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <20040709081432.45409.qmail at web51610.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> --- Michael Snow <wikipedia at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > ...
> > However, it would be nice to see more frequent updates just about
> > fundraising progress, which is what this suggestion focuses on. Those
> > who are particularly interested in this should be encouraged to donate
> > the funds necessary so that we can start paying Mav a salary. Otherwise,
> > it's unfair to expect anyone to assume that burden.
>
> Actually please don't donate money for that - giving me money will not increase
> the number of hours in the day or reduce the number of hours I need to sleep
> (Wikipedia/Wikimedia is nearly a second full time job for me). Also, doing so
> would only add a small incentive for me to do more work in this area since I
> strongly suspect that such pay would pale in comparison to what I now receive
> as a GIS specialist (thus I would have to keep my day job). A full time server
> admin is far more important.
>
> More voluneers welcome in the finance department. :)
>
> -- mav
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:30:01 +0100
> From: Angela_ <beesley at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Foundation-l] Status of logo copyright
> To: foundation-l at wikipedia.org
> Message-ID: <8b722b800407092330124c7035 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> (forwarded from wikipedia-l)
>
> > --- David Friedland <david at nohat.net> wrote on wikipedia-l
> > > Before I left on my unannounced wikivacation, Jimbo
> > > e-mailed me about
> > > the copyright logo. He seemed to be under the
> > > impression that I had
> > > assigned my rights to the logo to the Wikimedia
> > > foundation, but I don't
> > > believe that I had.
> > >
> > > I am happy to assign my copyrights over the logo to
> > > the Wikimedia
> > > Foundation. However, I am unsure how to do that in a
> > > binding way.
> > > Furthermore, I don't believe that the Foundation
> > > actually owns any
> > > copyrights yet and I have some questions about how
> > > this will be handled.
> > > Has anyone else assigned their copyrights to the
> > > Foundation? Are there
> > > policies about how the foundation is going to handle
> > > the copyrights it
> > > holds? What benefit would there be to my assigning
> > > the copyright to the
> > > foundation rather than just licensing it at no cost
> > > for various purposes?
> > >
> > > As I said, I am happy to assign the copyrights to
> > > the foundation, but I
> > > want to be sure of what I am doing before I jump in
> > > and do it, because
> > > there are no "take-backs" in the world of copyright.
> > >
> > > - David Friedland
>
> David, it's great to hear you are happy to do this. As far as I know,
> the only copyrights assigned to the Foundation so far are those of
> Jimbo and certain edits by Bomis staff. The Foundation doesn't
> currently have any policies on the handling of its copyrights. I don't
> know how binding making an informal assignment on the mailing list
> would be; perhaps a lawyer could advise whether you need to physically
> sign something.
>
> In terms of benefits, for the Foundation, owning the copyright would
> be easier than having a licence, as it means it is free to do what it
> likes with the logo, rather than having any restrictions that might
> cause problems later on. I'm not sure what the benefits to you are
> though, other than not having to worry about writing a licence, and
> not having the Foundation bothering you in years to come about whether
> they can use the logo for some purpose not originally mentioned in the
> licence.
>
> Angela
> (just my thoughts, not on behalf of Wikimedia)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 08:55:16 -0700
> From: Michael Snow <wikipedia at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [Foundation-l] Re: NEH grant
> To: foundation-l at wikimedia.org
> Message-ID: <40F01164.5090200 at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Daniel Mayer wrote:
>
> >--- Michael Snow <wikipedia at earthlink.net <http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l>> wrote:
> >> ...
> >> However, it would be nice to see more frequent updates just about
> >> fundraising progress, which is what this suggestion focuses on. Those
> >> who are particularly interested in this should be encouraged to donate
> >> the funds necessary so that we can start paying Mav a salary. Otherwise,
> >> it's unfair to expect anyone to assume that burden.
> >
> >Actually please don't donate money for that - giving me money will not increase
> >the number of hours in the day or reduce the number of hours I need to sleep
> >(Wikipedia/Wikimedia is nearly a second full time job for me). Also, doing so
> >would only add a small incentive for me to do more work in this area since I
> >strongly suspect that such pay would pale in comparison to what I now receive
> >as a GIS specialist (thus I would have to keep my day job). A full time server
> >admin is far more important.
> >
> Sorry, I meant that to be tongue-in-cheek, not as a particularly serious
> suggestion (yet). My point was mostly that if people have expectations
> like that, they need to consider whether they're prepared to contribute
> what's necessary to make it possible. There's only so much you can
> "require" from volunteers. And I agree that for the future day when we
> start hiring salaried employees, a server admin is a bigger priority.
>
> --Michael Snow
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:21:54 +0100 (BST)
> From: Imran Ghory <imran at bits.bris.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Status of logo copyright
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
> Cc: foundation-l at wikipedia.org
> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0407101719530.19241 at bits.bris.ac.uk>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, Angela_ wrote:
>
> > David, it's great to hear you are happy to do this. As far as I know,
> > the only copyrights assigned to the Foundation so far are those of
> > Jimbo and certain edits by Bomis staff. The Foundation doesn't
> > currently have any policies on the handling of its copyrights. I don't
> > know how binding making an informal assignment on the mailing list
> > would be; perhaps a lawyer could advise whether you need to physically
> > sign something.
>
> The FSF have a standard copyright assignment contract they get
> contributors to GNU projects to sign, I'm sure if we asked them they'd let us use a
> modified version of their contract.
>
> Imran
> --
> http://bits.bris.ac.uk/imran
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:21:54 +0100 (BST)
> From: Imran Ghory <imran at bits.bris.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Status of logo copyright
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
> Cc: foundation-l at wikipedia.org
> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0407101719530.19241 at bits.bris.ac.uk>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, Angela_ wrote:
>
> > David, it's great to hear you are happy to do this. As far as I know,
> > the only copyrights assigned to the Foundation so far are those of
> > Jimbo and certain edits by Bomis staff. The Foundation doesn't
> > currently have any policies on the handling of its copyrights. I don't
> > know how binding making an informal assignment on the mailing list
> > would be; perhaps a lawyer could advise whether you need to physically
> > sign something.
>
> The FSF have a standard copyright assignment contract they get
> contributors to GNU projects to sign, I'm sure if we asked them they'd let us use a
> modified version of their contract.
>
> Imran
> --
> http://bits.bris.ac.uk/imran
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:26:49 +0100
> From: Angela_ <beesley at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation Meeting, 4 July 2004
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <8b722b80040710092636b8ca8f at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Wikimedia Foundation Meeting La Maison des Metallos, Paris, 4 July 2004.
>
> Present: Angela Beesley, Florence Nibart-Devouard and Jimmy Wales.
>
> 1) Wikimedia website
> 2) Developer issues
> 3) Grants and Official Positions
> 4) Trademark
> 5) Board members
> 6) AOB
>
> 1) Wikimedia website
>
> The aim of the Foundation website is to increase the visibility and
> transparency of the Foundation and to provide a central location and
> summary of all the information.
>
> It was decided to host the Wikimedia Foundation website on a separate
> wiki (see http://wikimedia.org/wiki). This allows other users to add
> translations, and to help with the addition of technical details,
> including page views. Some pages, such as the mission statement, will
> be protected and editable only by the Board. Users can suggest changes
> to these on Meta, and the changes will be adopted onto the main site
> following Board approval.
>
> A number of translations will be needed for widely spoken languages,
> including those which currently have only small Wikipedias, such as
> Spanish.
>
> Information for the press will be included in a summarized format.
> Efforts will be made to keep this up to date, unlike the current pages
> on Wikimedia.
>
> Global policies, such as privacy and terms of use, will be included on
> this website. While respecting the "wiki way", these will need to be
> approved by the board before they are changed for legal reasons.
>
> The wiki will not be open to anonymous edits and only authorized
> accounts will be opened.
>
> 2) Developer issues
>
> The creation of a developer committee was proposed, with one or two
> developers to be assigned official positions by Board.
>
> Sub-committees should be developed, such as one to discuss ways of
> checking performance. It was noted that Looxix had requested shell
> access to help with the tracking of performance related issues.
>
> Assignment of shell access was discussed and the issue of whom should
> be allowed to hand out such access was raised. It was proposed that
> when a developer committee is formed, they work on a policy to cover
> such issues.
>
> Plans for downtime are needed. The developers should be aware of who
> is responsible for ensuring downtime notices are placed on the site,
> and that the relevant people, such as Brion Vibber, are informed of
> downtime.
>
> Plans to avoid unnecessary downtime should be made.
>
> When planning the hardware architecture, it was noted that we need to
> think longer term about this.
>
> 3) Grants and Official Positions
>
> When making grant applications, it is important to present a united
> front. We should not be presenting multiple applications from
> different users without knowing who is sending what. We must appear to
> be collaborating on this, so all applications should be logged at one
> central location.
>
> Some grant applications require an authorized signature. It was
> proposed that grant applications be double signed by the person making
> the application and by one member of the Board. This requirement will
> be noted on the Wikimedia Foundation website to prevent non-authorized
> applications which are not made in the name of Wikimedia.
>
> The Board does not believe there should be any requirements that
> people be qualified in any particular field to hold an official
> position. We should not limit these places to professionals.
>
> 4) Trademark
>
> There is a requirement for certain standards to be met in the places
> our logo is used. We should aim to be NPOV rather than give the
> impression that the Foundation is endorsing anything. Particular care
> should be taken in printed versions that advertising is appropriately
> marked as such, and does not appear to be an endorsement.
>
> A policy for situations in which the logo may be used will be
> developed. This will ensure it is only used in a way which is
> consistent with the community's values.
>
> The situation regarding the rights to use the logo is not yet clear.
> Jimbo is in contact with David Friedland (Nohat) about this. It was
> felt important that David would not have veto rights over where the
> logo is used.
>
> 5) Board members
>
> Tim and Michael will have less active involvement than the other
> members of the Board but Jimbo stated that their presence on the Board
> would not mean the votes of Angela and Anthere would be automatically
> overridden. It was suggested that the Board should be enlarged at some
> point, possibly later this year, and that prominent people external to
> Wikipedia could be invited to hold positions on the Board.
>
> 6) AOB
>
> Jimbo will contact a German lawyer regarding the registration of the
> Wikimedia trademark in Germany, which someone else is currently
> attempting to register.
>
> Alex Roshuk is completing the forms required to gain 501(c)3 status.
>
> Approval was given for the proposed email from the German Wikipedia to
> wissen-de regarding our copyright violation.
>
> Daniel Mayer was appointed to the position of Chief Financial Officer.
> He will work closely with Anthere on financial matters. Jimbo will ask
> Michael Davis to take on the role of treasurer. Michael will have the
> role of overseeing the finances at the end of the year, and
> occasionally during the year, but Anthere will be responsible for this
> on a more day-to-day basis.
>
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>
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subject: [Foundation-l] NEH Grant résumés


subject: [Foundation-l] fundraising proposal #1

body:
--- Angela_ <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
> Daniel Mayer wrote:
> > An opt-in checkbox to receive such a newsletter for each new user account
> on any Wikimedia wiki might also be a good idea.
>
> I agree. This could be checked the same time as people check the box
> to say they want to become Wikimedia members. How about having
> checkboxes in user preferences:
> *Become a Volunteer Active Member [ ]
> *Receive Wikimedia emails [ ]
> *Become a Contributing Active Member [ ] (leads to a form where you
> can pay dues)
>
> Links should be given on that part of the user preferences page to
> terms and conditions, the bylaws, the privacy policy etc.

All good ideas. A page on meta to synthesize this might be a good idea. I
especially like the idea of a quarterly newsletter.

-- mav

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from_name: Rowan Collins

body:
> > Would it be possible to add
> > the specific fully qualified host address of the computer which you
> > require cookies to be enabled from please?

The answer to this question is pretty simple - cookies can only be set
for the domain that you're visiting, so the whitelist simply needs to
include the same domain as is in your address bar (OK, that might not
be true for sites using some cheapskate frame-based "forwarding", but
that's not us) Moreover, only wikimedia's projects are hosted on the
"wikipedia.org" domain, so you should be able to just whitelist
".wikipedia.org", and voil? you can log in happily.

> > Otherwise I get a bizarre
> > error with no way of finding out which server you are requesting I
> > remove from the blocked list!

Well, perhaps you need to either reconfigure, or get to know the
interface of, your software, since you will find many login-based
websites severely limited if you can't work out how to unblock their
cookies.  Recent versions of Mozilla, for instance, show an icon in
the bottom right of the window when a cookie has been auto-blocked;
clicking it reveals (IIRC) a dialog offering to whitelist the site
that tried to set the cookie. I don't think it's a website's place to
second guess what rules are being applied by the software (whitelist,
blacklist, warning dialog, automatic filtering, who knows what else?)
and instruct users to change them.

> > All web sites are blocked by default from setting cookies on my system.

Finally, I just want to mutter a bit about the unnecessary fuss people
make about cookies - they can't actually retrieve any more information
than they store, after all! Yes, I know, advertisers use them to see
that the same computer is accessing different sites that carry banners
from the same service - although some browsers let you block cookies
from all 'secondary' connections like this, I think. But even that is
only a tiny bit more reliable for them than just using your IP address
- especially as more people get broadband, often with a fixed IP; and
IPv6 promises to give everyone a unique address anyway - so if that
takes off, the advertisers won't need cookies at all! Generally,
cookies seem far more useful (for keeping track of information like "I
am logged in") than harmful; but each to their own, I guess...

--
Rowan Collins BSc
[IMSoP]


from_name: Anthere

subject: [Foundation-l] Re: Résumés_for_NEH_Grant

body:
I do not answer to any mails sent to wikilegal-l.

------

I have taken up the /Staff section of of the grant
application.
Having consulted with others the best way to do this
seems to be for
anyone willing to help with the grant to send a r?sum?
to
reflection-Re5JQEeQqe9fmgfxC/sS/w at public.gmane.org  I
will compile them.  Please tailor your
experiences/education towards relevancy to WikiMedia.

We are especially interested in r?sum?s from
developers and
bureaucrats, but all are necessarily welcome. All
Board members are
asked to submit.  In addition, we need as many people
as possible to
answer the following questions.  Please do not reply
to the mailing
list, but to
reflection-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org
This will prevent clutter and will
maintain your privacy/anonymity.

1) What is your full name and nickname? (Include a URL
to your user page).

2) Describe your duties at Wikipedia and
qualifications for those
duties.  If you have a title what is your title, and
how long have you
held it.

3) Indicate the amount of time that you, the projects
staff,
anticipate committing to the project on a monthly
basis (hours), and
for how many months, years.

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from_name: Camille Constans

subject: [Wikitech-l] DB status

body:
We switched ariel as master db server. Seems working :)
Suda and will are now slaves of ariel

Shaihulud


from_name: Arwel Parry

subject: [Wikitech-l] Language file updates

body:
I'm wondering whether anybody keeps an eye open for changes to
[[meta:Language files to be updated]] and [[meta:Requests for
languageXX.php update]] ? These seem to contain update requests going
back to last March in some cases, but nobody seems to action them or
give any indication if they've been done/rejected or anything.

In my case, I've just updated LanguageCy.php based on the current
version 1.11 in Sourceforge last modified on June 28th, and I'd like to
get my version applied before the developers change the baseline again!

--
Arwel Parry
http://www.cartref.demon.co.uk/


subject: [Foundation-l] Fundraising

body:
May I suggest that next time we are slashdotted,
someone please add a highly visible link at the TOP of
the main page, at least on the english wikipedia, for
say 2 or 3 days, so that perhaps some visitors feel
like making a small donation ?

The events are very demanding on servers, last week,
we were all slowed down a lot for 2 days, so visitors
might understand the need for more hardware.

Besides, given the number of discussions last week on
slashdot, about donation issues, that is perhaps best
to show clearly where donations could be made :-)

So, slashdot events would be beneficial both in terms
of contributors and in terms of revenue ?

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subject: [Foundation-l] Fundraising


list: wikipedia-l

subject: [Wikipedia-l] Fundraising


from_name: Denni

subject: [Foundation-l] Re: findraising proposal #1

body:
>
> > How about having checkboxes in user preferences:
> > *Become a Volunteer Active Member [ ]
> > *Receive Wikimedia emails [ ]
> > *Become a Contributing Active Member [ ] (leads to a form where you
> > can pay dues)
> >
> > Links should be given on that part of the user preferences page to
> > terms and conditions, the bylaws, the privacy policy etc.

> The initial target ought to be those who have already shown some interest - our curent authors/editors. It also ought to be electronic - I shudder at the thought of the cost of sending out snailmail requests which will just end up in the circular file. PayPal may or may not be an option - I don't know. But let's begin with those already in
> the fold before we launch more expensive campaigns outside it. (Alternatively, we could buy 30 seconds of TV time on the next World Cup. Kidding.)

> Denni

> --

? Every snowflake in an avalanche pleads not guilty.


subject: [Foundation-l] going contract rate for a server admin

body:
As part of the NEH grant proposal I would like to budget the hiring of a full
time on-site server admin/PHP software coder (his/her time would be split
between babysitting the servers, installing/troubleshooting servers,
recommending new server purchases, and improving parts of MediaWiki that no
volunteer wants to touch much - esp in the area of performance bottlenecks).

But since even thinking about setting up benefit packages gives me a major
headache, I would like to first see us hire a person on a limited term but
renewable contract. For example, I'm currently under such contract doing GIS
work for 30 dollars an hour. I'm an independent contractor and thus am
responsible for my own benefit package (or lack thereof), business license,
insurance, and taxes. The local government I work for is therefore not
responsible for any overhead other than the small amount of work that my
contract manager has to put into processing my invoices.

So my question is: What is the going hourly rate for a server admin with
Brion-level knowledge under such a contract?

I will also be researching how much a small office near the colo would cost. A
full time secretary/receptionist could be hired through a temp agency. It will
probably be some time before we could have real employees.

I also plan to budget $2000 for relocation costs in case anybody is interested
(perhaps a bit more for international relocation). :)

Important note: So far all of the above is contingent on getting the grant. The
deadline for submitting that grant is also fast approaching.

Daniel Mayer,
Wikimedia CFO

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subject: [Wikitech-l] going contract rate for a server admin


from_name: J. Grant

body:
Hi,

Thanks for your reply.

Certainly for wikipedia I am happy to store a cookie.

> The answer to this question is pretty simple - cookies can only be set
> for the domain that you're visiting, so the whitelist simply needs to
> include the same domain as is in your address bar (OK, that might not
> be true for sites using some cheapskate frame-based "forwarding", but
> that's not us) Moreover, only wikimedia's projects are hosted on the
> "wikipedia.org" domain, so you should be able to just whitelist
> ".wikipedia.org", and voil? you can log in happily.

In Mozilla 1.4 I have a huge list of thousands of "blocked" sites, for
which I have to hunt for wikipedia to remove the domain which is there.
There is no way to remove all ".wikipedia.org" domains without
manually reading all domain names which are not sorted by their org,
domain, host order.

If what ever the server wikipedia uses for storing cookies could be
listed that would be helpful. I was browsing  from en.wikipedia.org but
the cookie server as not en.wikipedia.org...

If you could specify the servers you use for serving/reading cookies
that would just make things a lot simpler than placing the burden on
users to find whatever the present name of the cookie server happens to
be.. :)

Kind regards

JG


body:
I am all for all of these ideas. I too have strong reservations about a snail
mail fundraising drive. On the other hand, I do think that we have to take
the fundraising campaign beyond our base of contributors, who are limited in
number, and, in many cases, whose funds are even more limited.

Danny
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I am all for all of these ideas. I too have strong reservations about a snail
mail fundraising drive. On the other hand, I do think that we have to take
the fundraising campaign beyond our base of contributors, who are limited in
number, and, in many cases, whose funds are even more limited.

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body:
I am all for all of these ideas. I too have strong reservations about a snail
mail fundraising drive. On the other hand, I do think that we have to take
the fundraising campaign beyond our base of contributors, who are limited in
number, and, in many cases, whose funds are even more limited.

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I am all for all of these ideas. I too have strong reservations about a snail
mail fundraising drive. On the other hand, I do think that we have to take
the fundraising campaign beyond our base of contributors, who are limited in
number, and, in many cases, whose funds are even more limited.

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from_name: Erik Moeller

subject: [Foundation-l] fundraising proposal #1

body:
daniwo59-
> Given the increasing costs of hardware in Mav's report, it seems as if we
> have to begin taking drastic measures to keep up to speed withour growth.
> One possibility is that we begin compiling a snail mail list of potential
> donors, to whom we begin sending out solicitations.

I don't think this is the best approach. We're an online project and we
should do our fundraising online. One key factor in raising money is
making it as simple as possible so the amount of inhibition people have to
overcome is minimal. The other factor is keeping people updated about the
progress of the fundraising and giving them credit. We're an international
project and we want to reach the maximum number of people on the planet.
Finally, we want to encourage random acts of kindness. The Internet allows
all this.

What I think we should do is have a fundraiser twice a year, with a
dynamically updated progress bar (we can get this developed now by putting
a bounty on it), a list of recent donors and a list of top donors. During
the time of the fundraising (a week or so every year), this progress bar
would occupy the top 10-20% of screen space on all Wikimedia projects. It
should be possible to directly make a donation from any Wikimedia page
during the fundraising - just a single click. We would specify the goal
beforehand and link to the detailed budget.

We have more traffic than Slashdot. I think reaching our goals will not be
as difficult as some people appear to think. It's just a matter of
exposure.

Regards,

Erik


subject: [Foundation-l] fundraising proposal #1


subject: [Foundation-l] fundraising proposal #1

body:
Danny wrote:
> One possibility is that we begin compiling a snail mail list of potential donors, to whom we begin sending out solicitations.

I've created a page at meta for comments, and also for suggestions of
potential donors if people think this is the right approach. Please
see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Potential_donors_to_Wikimedia

Eloquence wrote:
>I don't think this is the best approach. We're an online project and we
should do our fundraising online.

I don't see a need to limit ourselves to this. If we can reach people
through alternative, offline means, such as direct solicitations, or
Wikimedia fairs (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_auf_Messen),
then I think this could be a good way of attracting funds from people
who wouldn't otherwise see the site, and also raises our profile
outside of the existing pool of donors.

> What I think we should do is have a fundraiser twice a year...

I was thinking quarterly, or would that be too often?

Daniel Mayer wrote:
> An opt-in checkbox to receive such a newsletter for each new user account on any Wikimedia wiki might also be a good idea.

I agree. This could be checked the same time as people check the box
to say they want to become Wikimedia members. How about having
checkboxes in user preferences:
*Become a Volunteer Active Member [ ]
*Receive Wikimedia emails [ ]
*Become a Contributing Active Member [ ] (leads to a form where you
can pay dues)

Links should be given on that part of the user preferences page to
terms and conditions, the bylaws, the privacy policy etc.

Angela.


subject: [Foundation-l] fundraising proposal #1


from_name: Martin Gelemerov

subject: [Foundation-l] An Idea: How to make Wikipedia profitable

body:
Monday 12, 2004
Mr. Gelemerov; Martin
martin_gelemerov at yahoo.com
35039 Marburg-Lahn
Germany

Dear Fondation,

I would like to present you my Project: how can I help
to develop the wikipedias Database and make it
profitable.
First I am a bulgarian student in Germany. I?m
sdudying Economics.
I read a little about: How to make wikipedia
profitable,  so that was the reason to write this, and
of course because Wikipedia is for me is a
Encyclopedia with a great future!

I can try to make a collaboration between my old high
scool and Wikipedia. I have a good relatioship with
the director of this scool. This school is in
Bulgaria, and teachs foreighn languages ? english,
french, italian und russian.

There are several ways that the Students can prove
they knowleges, one of the most used methods is to
write a Project, about something in Mathematics,
Phisics, Chemistry, Logic, ecc..

So the students can build small groups (2, or 3
Students) to work together. When they are ready with
the Project, they can publisc that in Wikipedia,  in
bulgarian and one foreighn language (that they are
learning).

I thing that, this scould be very interesting for the
Student, becouse, we are leaving in the Information
Age, the Age of Internet, they sould be happy that
they have finally did something in Internet, that
everyone can see, and read.

The question is how to persuade the Director? I thing
I have a good answer of this question: For this
contribuation they (the school) can receive some kind
of CERTIFICATE from WIKIPEDIA, with some good words
about the innovative Teaching-Politic, or -Methods,
for scharing  information ecc.

So this Certificate from Wikipedia scould be a great
adverstiment for the School (and of course  great for
Wikipedia too), ant I thing this can persuade the
director to involve Wikipedia in the School.

If that works, the scool can try to connect with the
Mass Media (like tv, newspapers ecc.),  that?s again a
great possibility for Wikipedia to connect with other
Schools.

In my school are learning 500 Students. For one Year
they can make very much for the enlargement of
Wikipedia (especially in the bulgarian directory).
And what?s with 50, or we say 100 Schools? (and maby
not only in Bulgaria, so there is a possibility to
make somethiong like knowledge-exchange program, IRC,
ot some kind of that, but this is another point?)

And the best idea is coming now, that the point of all
I want to do for Wikipedia, it?s about donations. If
everything works, we can try to make a connection with
the Ministry of Education and Culture in Bulgaria.
That?s possible also indirectly.
My school is very-well rated school, so that many
children learning there have powerful parents in the
government. So that?s the best synthesis between
collaboration and donation (without any kind of adds
on the Wikipedia?s pages, like other proposal that I
have read on: ?Making Wikipedia Profitable?).

THE ONLY THING I need is some kind of  WIKIPEDIA
CERTIFICATE for the school.

So that?s the only thyng I need, so the next month I?m
flying to Bulgaria, were I will meet the director, to
speak face-to-face, and I will try to persuade him to
do this.

Sincerely,

Martin Gelemerov

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subject: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia trademark registration in Germany

body:
Elisabeth Bauer wrote:

> Michael Snow wrote:
>
>>> 6) AOB
>>>
>>> Jimbo will contact a German lawyer regarding the registration of the
>>> Wikimedia trademark in Germany, which someone else is currently
>>> attempting to register.
>>>
>> This is the first I've heard about this attempt. If it's not too much
>> trouble, I would be interested to get some more information about it
>> (off-list is fine). I might also be able to help with the
>> communications if necessary, since I speak German, though I have no
>> particular training in German law.
>
> First, it's about Wikipedia, not Wikimedia.
> Date of application is 08.03.2004, so we missed already the 3 month
> period where we can object.
>
> Raw data in German is attached, short abstract:
> application is filed as a word mark by Joerg Nagel, Legan promotion
> (http://www.legan.de), for three classes:
> 22, 25, 28: (long list abbreviated: f.e. textiles, toys, games, tents,
> sports wear, christmas decorations)
>
> greetings,
> elian
>
> UG01 - Kurzer ?berblick Markentext: WIKIPEDIA Markenform: Wortmarke
> Inhaber: Nagel, J?rg, Reutlingen Leitklasse: 22 Klassen: 22; 25; 28
> Letzter Verfahrensstand: Empfangsbescheinigung mit
> Veroeffentl.d.Anmeldung
>
> UG10 - Allgemeine Angaben Markentext: WIKIPEDIA Markenform: Wortmarke
> Letzter Verfahrensstand: Empfangsbescheinigung mit
> Veroeffentl.d.Anmeldung
>
> UG15 - Inhaber, Vertreter Name und Wohnort/Sitz des Anmelders/Inhabers
> der Marke: Nagel, J?rg, Reutlingen Zustellungsanschrift: Legan
> promotion GmbH & Co. KG Auchtertstr.4 72770 Reutlingen
> http://www.legan.de/legan_d.html
>
> UG20 - Waren/Dienstleistungen (gegenw?rtiger Stand) Leitklasse: 22
> Klassen: 22; 25; 28 Erfassung / Umklassifizierung gem?? Nizzaer
> Klassifikation (NCL 8) Datum der Erfassung / Umklassifizierung:
> 18.03.2004
>
> UG30 - Verfahren (Chronologie) Anmeldetag: 08.03.2004
>
>     * Klasse 22: Seile, Bindfaden, Netze, Zelte, Planen, Segel, S?cke
> (soweit sie nicht in anderen Klassen enthalten sind);
> Polsterf?llstoffe (au?er aus Kautschuk oder Kunststoffen); rohe
> Gespinstfasern
>     * Klasse 25: Bekleidungsst?cke, Schuhwaren, Kopfbedeckungen
>     * Klasse 28: Spiele, Spielzeug; Turn- und Sportartikel, soweit sie
> nicht in anderen Klassen enthalten sind; Christbaumschmuck.

Vielen Dank f?r die Information, elian.

Well, nothing in the classes of goods covered by this trademark
application should keep us from being able to register our own
trademark. So this seems to be more a minor nuisance, rather than a
fraudulent registration we would *need* to get overturned promptly. I'm
assuming that German trademark practices aren't that different from the
US, since international agreements in the field mean that at least some
basic principles should be consistent.

It still would have been nice to make a timely objection, but at least
this J?rg Nagel isn't blatantly infringing our trademark. It does make
it difficult if we want to distribute Wikipedia-related merchandise in
Germany, though. I wonder if that's what he had in mind, and what he
intends to do with the trademark. Make a profit by selling it to us, or
by forcing us to use his firm's services for merchandising? I'd be a
little surprised if he intends to start a Wikipedia brand of clothing on
his own. Was this application triggered by some of our German publicity,
I wonder? Just some random thoughts.

--Michael Snow


body:
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 00:02:35 +0200, Elisabeth Bauer <elian at djini.de> wrote:

> First, it's about Wikipedia, not Wikimedia.

Sorry, that was just a typo. It was of course the Wikipedia trademark
in Germany that we discussed, not the Wikimedia one. It makes up for
all the times I type Wikipedia when I mean Wikimedia. :)

I've adjust the copy of the minutes on meta.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Board_meetings/4_July_2004

Angela.


subject: [Foundation-l] Re: NEH Grant résumés

body:
daniwo59 at aol.com wrote:

>     If the author of this email is not willing to even identify
>     themselves
>     to us, I don't see why any of us would want to send them a r?sum?.
>     Also,
>     I can't understand why r?sum?s from bureaucrats would be requested in
>     this context.
>
> Hi
>
> The author of this email is a relatively new volunteer to Wikipedia,
> who has taken on the responsibility of coordinating the CVs. The idea
> is to send CVs of staff, i.e., of committed volunteers with some
> credentials. This would include the board and developers, but also
> prominent users. If anyone is uncomfortable sending this information
> to him, you may forward it to me. It may now be too late, though I
> still hold out hope, however, it is something that other grants will
> want too. I can assure you that I will protect your privacy and
> foreward the grants directly to whomever is taking care of the
> particular grants in question.
>
> For the record, Alterego has told me that he is an American citizen
> living in Italy and that he is a journalist. From his impeccable
> English and his IP, I have no reason to doubt this, though I can
> understand people's reluctance to give personal information away so
> quickly.
>
> In the event that this information is needed for other grants, you
> will be asked again in each instance whether you mind having your name
> attached to the grant.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Danny

Relatively new is an understatement, given the contribution history. I'm
willing to suspend my suspicions about Alterego having ulterior motives
for collecting this information, but I still would recommend that anyone
who submits such information send it to Danny, not to
"reflection at gmail.com".

In general, as the Foundation acquires personal information about
various contributors that they haven't made publicly available on the
wiki, we need to be sure that information is kept separate and not
disclosed to anyone inappropriately.

--Michael Snow
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body:
daniwo59 at aol.com wrote:

>     If the author of this email is not willing to even identify
>     themselves
>     to us, I don't see why any of us would want to send them a r?sum?.
>     Also,
>     I can't understand why r?sum?s from bureaucrats would be requested in
>     this context.
>
> Hi
>
> The author of this email is a relatively new volunteer to Wikipedia,
> who has taken on the responsibility of coordinating the CVs. The idea
> is to send CVs of staff, i.e., of committed volunteers with some
> credentials. This would include the board and developers, but also
> prominent users. If anyone is uncomfortable sending this information
> to him, you may forward it to me. It may now be too late, though I
> still hold out hope, however, it is something that other grants will
> want too. I can assure you that I will protect your privacy and
> foreward the grants directly to whomever is taking care of the
> particular grants in question.
>
> For the record, Alterego has told me that he is an American citizen
> living in Italy and that he is a journalist. From his impeccable
> English and his IP, I have no reason to doubt this, though I can
> understand people's reluctance to give personal information away so
> quickly.
>
> In the event that this information is needed for other grants, you
> will be asked again in each instance whether you mind having your name
> attached to the grant.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Danny

Relatively new is an understatement, given the contribution history. I'm
willing to suspend my suspicions about Alterego having ulterior motives
for collecting this information, but I still would recommend that anyone
who submits such information send it to Danny, not to
"reflection at gmail.com".

In general, as the Foundation acquires personal information about
various contributors that they haven't made publicly available on the
wiki, we need to be sure that information is kept separate and not
disclosed to anyone inappropriately.

--Michael Snow
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daniwo59 at aol.com wrote:

>     If the author of this email is not willing to even identify
>     themselves
>     to us, I don't see why any of us would want to send them a r?sum?.
>     Also,
>     I can't understand why r?sum?s from bureaucrats would be requested in
>     this context.
>
> Hi
>
> The author of this email is a relatively new volunteer to Wikipedia,
> who has taken on the responsibility of coordinating the CVs. The idea
> is to send CVs of staff, i.e., of committed volunteers with some
> credentials. This would include the board and developers, but also
> prominent users. If anyone is uncomfortable sending this information
> to him, you may forward it to me. It may now be too late, though I
> still hold out hope, however, it is something that other grants will
> want too. I can assure you that I will protect your privacy and
> foreward the grants directly to whomever is taking care of the
> particular grants in question.
>
> For the record, Alterego has told me that he is an American citizen
> living in Italy and that he is a journalist. From his impeccable
> English and his IP, I have no reason to doubt this, though I can
> understand people's reluctance to give personal information away so
> quickly.
>
> In the event that this information is needed for other grants, you
> will be asked again in each instance whether you mind having your name
> attached to the grant.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Danny

Relatively new is an understatement, given the contribution history. I'm
willing to suspend my suspicions about Alterego having ulterior motives
for collecting this information, but I still would recommend that anyone
who submits such information send it to Danny, not to
"reflection at gmail.com".

In general, as the Foundation acquires personal information about
various contributors that they haven't made publicly available on the
wiki, we need to be sure that information is kept separate and not
disclosed to anyone inappropriately.

--Michael Snow
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body:
daniwo59 at aol.com wrote:

>     If the author of this email is not willing to even identify
>     themselves
>     to us, I don't see why any of us would want to send them a r?sum?.
>     Also,
>     I can't understand why r?sum?s from bureaucrats would be requested in
>     this context.
>
> Hi
>
> The author of this email is a relatively new volunteer to Wikipedia,
> who has taken on the responsibility of coordinating the CVs. The idea
> is to send CVs of staff, i.e., of committed volunteers with some
> credentials. This would include the board and developers, but also
> prominent users. If anyone is uncomfortable sending this information
> to him, you may forward it to me. It may now be too late, though I
> still hold out hope, however, it is something that other grants will
> want too. I can assure you that I will protect your privacy and
> foreward the grants directly to whomever is taking care of the
> particular grants in question.
>
> For the record, Alterego has told me that he is an American citizen
> living in Italy and that he is a journalist. From his impeccable
> English and his IP, I have no reason to doubt this, though I can
> understand people's reluctance to give personal information away so
> quickly.
>
> In the event that this information is needed for other grants, you
> will be asked again in each instance whether you mind having your name
> attached to the grant.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Danny

Relatively new is an understatement, given the contribution history. I'm
willing to suspend my suspicions about Alterego having ulterior motives
for collecting this information, but I still would recommend that anyone
who submits such information send it to Danny, not to
"reflection at gmail.com".

In general, as the Foundation acquires personal information about
various contributors that they haven't made publicly available on the
wiki, we need to be sure that information is kept separate and not
disclosed to anyone inappropriately.

--Michael Snow
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body:
In a message dated 7/11/2004 10:52:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,
wikipedia at earthlink.net writes:
If the author of this email is not willing to even identify themselves
to us, I don't see why any of us would want to send them a r?sum?. Also,
I can't understand why r?sum?s from bureaucrats would be requested in
this context.
Hi

The author of this email is a relatively new volunteer to Wikipedia, who has
taken on the responsibility of coordinating the CVs. The idea is to send CVs
of staff, i.e., of committed volunteers with some credentials. This would
include the board and developers, but also prominent users. If anyone is
uncomfortable sending this information to him, you may forward it to me. It may now be
too late, though I still hold out hope, however, it is something that other
grants will want too. I can assure you that I will protect your privacy and
foreward the grants directly to whomever is taking care of the particular grants in
question.

For the record, Alterego has told me that he is an American citizen living in
Italy and that he is a journalist. From his impeccable English and his IP, I
have no reason to doubt this, though I can understand people's reluctance to
give personal information away so quickly.

In the event that this information is needed for other grants, you will be
asked again in each instance whether you mind having your name attached to the
grant.

Thanks,

Danny
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body:
In a message dated 7/11/2004 10:52:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,
wikipedia at earthlink.net writes:
If the author of this email is not willing to even identify themselves
to us, I don't see why any of us would want to send them a r?sum?. Also,
I can't understand why r?sum?s from bureaucrats would be requested in
this context.
Hi

The author of this email is a relatively new volunteer to Wikipedia, who has
taken on the responsibility of coordinating the CVs. The idea is to send CVs
of staff, i.e., of committed volunteers with some credentials. This would
include the board and developers, but also prominent users. If anyone is
uncomfortable sending this information to him, you may forward it to me. It may now be
too late, though I still hold out hope, however, it is something that other
grants will want too. I can assure you that I will protect your privacy and
foreward the grants directly to whomever is taking care of the particular grants in
question.

For the record, Alterego has told me that he is an American citizen living in
Italy and that he is a journalist. From his impeccable English and his IP, I
have no reason to doubt this, though I can understand people's reluctance to
give personal information away so quickly.

In the event that this information is needed for other grants, you will be
asked again in each instance whether you mind having your name attached to the
grant.

Thanks,

Danny
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body:
In a message dated 7/11/2004 10:52:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,
wikipedia at earthlink.net writes:
If the author of this email is not willing to even identify themselves
to us, I don't see why any of us would want to send them a r?sum?. Also,
I can't understand why r?sum?s from bureaucrats would be requested in
this context.
Hi

The author of this email is a relatively new volunteer to Wikipedia, who has
taken on the responsibility of coordinating the CVs. The idea is to send CVs
of staff, i.e., of committed volunteers with some credentials. This would
include the board and developers, but also prominent users. If anyone is
uncomfortable sending this information to him, you may forward it to me. It may now be
too late, though I still hold out hope, however, it is something that other
grants will want too. I can assure you that I will protect your privacy and
foreward the grants directly to whomever is taking care of the particular grants in
question.

For the record, Alterego has told me that he is an American citizen living in
Italy and that he is a journalist. From his impeccable English and his IP, I
have no reason to doubt this, though I can understand people's reluctance to
give personal information away so quickly.

In the event that this information is needed for other grants, you will be
asked again in each instance whether you mind having your name attached to the
grant.

Thanks,

Danny
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body:
In a message dated 7/11/2004 10:52:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,
wikipedia at earthlink.net writes:
If the author of this email is not willing to even identify themselves
to us, I don't see why any of us would want to send them a r?sum?. Also,
I can't understand why r?sum?s from bureaucrats would be requested in
this context.
Hi

The author of this email is a relatively new volunteer to Wikipedia, who has
taken on the responsibility of coordinating the CVs. The idea is to send CVs
of staff, i.e., of committed volunteers with some credentials. This would
include the board and developers, but also prominent users. If anyone is
uncomfortable sending this information to him, you may forward it to me. It may now be
too late, though I still hold out hope, however, it is something that other
grants will want too. I can assure you that I will protect your privacy and
foreward the grants directly to whomever is taking care of the particular grants in
question.

For the record, Alterego has told me that he is an American citizen living in
Italy and that he is a journalist. From his impeccable English and his IP, I
have no reason to doubt this, though I can understand people's reluctance to
give personal information away so quickly.

In the event that this information is needed for other grants, you will be
asked again in each instance whether you mind having your name attached to the
grant.

Thanks,

Danny
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Hi Dori,

> You could just look at the hostperm.1 file used to store the blocks on
> your profile directory, search for wikipedia or wikimedia with a text
> editor, and remove them that way.

Yes, this is the workaround I did in the end.  Not all users may be as
"technically savvy" as I though.  If wikipedia was not hiding the
complete hostname for which it wished to store a cookie this would not
be a problem.

Kind regards

JG


body:
> First check the complete hostname. Then check it with a "." at the
> front. Then strip off the first part ('www' or 'en' or whatever).
> Continue until you find the correct hostname.

Thank you for the workaround.  This is what I did when looking, it would
be better not to have to workaround the problem of not being told the
complete hostname on wikipedia site though.

> Mozilla's cookie manager UI is pretty crappy, unfortunately, but you
> need to learn to deal with it if you're going to use it. That's not our
> problem, sorry.

Wikipedia could make it more simple.  Presently wikipedia is making it
as difficult as it can by not listing the  complete hostname which has a
cookie block error when displaying such an error.

Kind regards

JG