from_name: Jens Ropers

subject: [Foundation-l] Re: Indymedia and FBI

body:
On 12 Oct 2004, at 22:22, Magnus Manske wrote:
> Yann Forget wrote:
>
>> What's disturbing in this story is that this treaty which is made to
>> fight "international terrorism, kidnapping and money laundering" is
>> subverted for dealing with a political issue. Indymedia might be
>> wrong, but using against them this kind of treaty made for criminal
>> cases really endangers free speech and democracy.
>>
>> How this is different that what the Chinese government does?
>>
> Unknowingly, you offer the perfect soultion: Have a wikipedia backup
> server in China! If the FBI closes the US site, the Chinese government
> will *love* us ;-)
>
> Magnus

''Earnestly'' folks, that ''is'' a good idea, IMHO:

By intelligently leveraging discrepancies between different
jurisdictions, we should be able to establish a position of strength,
where our standards as regards freedom of information can be set based
on a "legal least common ''multiple''" instead of a "least common
denominator".

The only issue: If we were to use true mirrors, the replication traffic
would be insane.
Instead, the primary, active copy of different countries' Wikipedias
could be located on the servers in the respective countries/on the
respective continents, with "only" scheduled replication to all other
sites. This could of course mean losing the very latest contributions
at a site in case it is taken offline. Then again, maybe even the
cross-global replication traffic would actually be bearable. After all,
only the actual ''changes'' would need to be replicated.

Yes, I confess: I'm an MCSE (among other things).
I was young and I needed the money.

-- ropers [[en:User:Ropers]]
     www.ropersonline.com


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subject: [Foundation-l] Re: Indymedia and FBI


list: foundation-l

from_name: Ray Saintonge

subject: [Foundation-l] Re: Formal request: Wikinews project

body:
Michael Snow wrote:

> As for the domain names, most of their value exists because we own
> them. They'd have no value to the plaintiff except in a sale, and even
> that would probably be wiped out by the substantial fork that would
> promptly arise should any lawsuit actually bankrupt Wikimedia.

And what would they do with all the GFDL  licensing?

Thanks for an analysis with the unusual twist of being based in reality.

Ec


from_name: Anthere

subject: [Foundation-l] Re: Indymedia and FBI

body:
Jens Ropers a ?crit:

>
> Yes, I confess: I'm an MCSE (among other things).
> I was young and I needed the money.

What is a MCSE ?


subject: [Foundation-l] Re: Indymedia and FBI


body:
Erik Moeller a ?crit:
> Anthere-
>
>>Requirement on real names are naturally bugging me.
>
>
> With your objections to any such rule in mind, I have tried to make this
> an option, rather than a requirement. There's a flip side to this and this
> is that without such an option, Wikinews will actually become *more*
> restrictive on what types of stories it allows.
>
> I call it the Abu Ghraib test.
>
> Let's say that our policy is that "any reported information can be allowed
> in an article as long as there is consensus among editors to include it."
> If we had a story like the Abu Ghraib prison abuse scandal before anyone
> else, and some reporter tried to include it under this rule -- all backed
> up both by good sources and by his credibility -- I am quite certain that
> some people would try to block it through endless discussions from ever
> being reported.
>
> In many cases, where we would have some anonymous whistleblower (a person
> telling secrets about a company, government etc.) willing to give us
> information, I am also quite certain that under such a policy, this
> information would be unlikely to be accepted on grounds of verifiability.
> Again, it is quite likely - as unfortunate as this is - that people from
> the opposite political point of view would try to block information that
> does not suit them.
>
> Therefore, my proposal suggests that we DO allow this type of consensus-
> based reporting from anonymous or unaccredited sources (called "witness
> reports" in the proposal), but IN ADDITION TO IT, we also allow Wikinews
> reporters to use their reputation as currency for publishing original
> reports, and to act as relays for people who want to stay anonymous.
>
> So there is no requirement for real names, but the additional credibility
> offered by verified or verifiable identities guarantees that we can pick
> up stories that we would otherwise probably ignore.
>
> I hope that the proposal is clear enough on the point that original
> reporting by non-accredited persons is allowed as long as there is
> consensus to include their stories.
>
> I would like to emphasize that Wikipedia allows no original reporting
> whatsoever. Wikinews is therefore *much* more inclusive than Wikipedia,
> not less.
>
>
>>The notion that all wikinews reporters will be necessarily sysops, and
>>all sysops necessarily wikinews reporter is problematic as well.
>
>
> I agree. However, initially, the functionality of "publishing" an article
> will be linked to the tools that we currently have, such as page
> protection. The potential for abuse of this privilege, and the associated
> consequences, are larger than in Wikipedia: Imagine a Wikinews article
> about a massacre in Israel being published without proper review and then
> being distributed in other media. Such news articles can lead to fatal
> consequences.
>
> Therefore, I believe that initially, we need to limit the circle of sysops
> who can publish stories to those we can identify and hold accountable. In
> order to make the process more wiki-like, I am working on a workflow
> system called "Wikiflow" that ensures an article can only flow from one
> state (unpublished) to the other (published) if there is consensus, if a
> certain amount of time has passed, and if it has come to the attention of
> certain people who should see it (reviewers).
>
> This Wikiflow system can also be the basis of peer review on Wikipedia, it
> can replace the current sysop-centric VfD process, and so forth. So take
> this early version of Wikinews like you take something like VfD: It kind
> of works, but it's not open enough in the long term.
>
>
>>Respective editorials ? You mean editorials can have a view point ? In
>>short, Wikinews will be a big change, since we will not any more have to
>>respect NPOV rule. But replace it with a collection of viewpoint. If one
>>view point comittee is missing, then the viewpoint is missing ?
>
>
> This was just an experimental aspect of the proposal: to, in addition to
> news articles, have a daily editorial (commentary) about current events
> written by different "factions". This was *never* supposed to apply to
> regular news articles. While I still think it is a good idea to explore
> this, given that this part of the proposal is the most controversial, I
> have taken it out. We can still think about this in the Wikinews community
> once it exists.
>
>
>>Last, I am not sure that all languages have really heard of this
>>project. So, I wish we advertise it a little bit more.
>
>
> What do you suggest?
>
>
>>I have not exactly forgotten yet the huge thread in september, saying
>>"the board has overstepped authority and blablabla" while we were only
>>acting in good faith. With such a reaction, any step from me for
>>agreeing for a new project will be *very* careful :-)
>
>
> I understand. Of course I would like to start working on this project and
> publicize its existence as soon as possible. So I would appreciate some
> more concrete suggestions on how to move it from the proposal and
> discussion phase into the implementation phase. Waiting another month now
> when I actually have time to do some real work on this project would be
> painful.
>
> Regards,
>
> Erik


body:
> What do you suggest?
>
>
>>I have not exactly forgotten yet the huge thread in september, saying
>>"the board has overstepped authority and blablabla" while we were only
>>acting in good faith. With such a reaction, any step from me for
>>agreeing for a new project will be *very* careful :-)
>
>
> I understand. Of course I would like to start working on this project and
> publicize its existence as soon as possible. So I would appreciate some
> more concrete suggestions on how to move it from the proposal and
> discussion phase into the implementation phase. Waiting another month now
> when I actually have time to do some real work on this project would be
> painful.
>
> Regards,
>
> Erik

Erik, I did not have time to comment on your answers for which I thank
you. I also thank you for this evening clarification. So, I'll provide a
feedback rather tomorrow.

Erik and I discussed all this, and a proposal is to have a solid and
clear presentation in english, then to have it translated and promoted.
A poll will follow to clarify opinion of contributors toward that new
project.

Meanwhile, I hope we can all go on discussing this. I find in particular
Fuz comments very interesting. ant


list: wikitech-l

from_name: Ivo Köthnig

subject: [Wikitech-l] Install-Script...

body:
Hi,

I have made some modifications to the config/index.php.

Now it should be possible to use anoter DB-user than "root" to create
DB-accounts and DBs for the wiki. Since I just tested that it works
for me, someone, who knows the code should check the modifications.

--Ivo K?thnig


subject: [Wikitech-l] Install-Script...

body:
Am Mittwoch 13 Oktober 2004 03:51 schrieb Ivo K?thnig:
> Hi,
>
> I have made some modifications to the config/index.php.
>
> Now it should be possible to use anoter DB-user than "root" to create
> DB-accounts and DBs for the wiki. Since I just tested that it works
> for me, someone, who knows the code should check the modifications.
>
> --Ivo K?thnig

second try for attachment...


subject: [Wikitech-l] Install-Script...

body:
Am Mittwoch 13 Oktober 2004 03:51 schrieb Ivo K?thnig:
> Hi,
>
> I have made some modifications to the config/index.php.
>
> Now it should be possible to use anoter DB-user than "root" to create
> DB-accounts and DBs for the wiki. Since I just tested that it works
> for me, someone, who knows the code should check the modifications.
>
> --Ivo K?thnig

third try...

-------------- next part --------------
<?php
# MediaWiki web-based config/installation
# Copyright (C) 2004 Brion Vibber <brion at pobox.com>
# http://www.mediawiki.org/
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
# the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or
# (at your option) any later version.
#
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License along
# with this program; if not, write to the Free Software Foundation, Inc.,
# 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA.
# http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html

error_reporting( E_ALL );
header( "Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8" );
@ini_set( "display_errors", true );

?><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
        "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">

	<meta http-equiv="Content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
	<meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow">
	<title>MediaWiki installation</title>

 MediaWiki is
 Copyright (C) 2001-2004 by Magnus Manske, Brion Vibber, Lee Daniel Crocker,
 Tim Starling, Erik Möller, Gabriel Wicke and others.

Readme

Release notes

doc/

User's Guide

This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
 it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
 the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or
 (at your option) any later version.

This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
 but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
 MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
 GNU General Public License for more details.

You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
 along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
 Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA.
 or read it online

<?php

$IP = ".."; # Just to suppress notices, not for anything useful
define( "MEDIAWIKI", true );
define( "MEDIAWIKI_INSTALL", true );
require_once( "../includes/DefaultSettings.php" );
require_once( "../includes/MagicWord.php" );
require_once( "../includes/Namespace.php" );
?>

MediaWiki <?php print $wgVersion ?> installation

<?php

/* Check for existing configurations and bug out! */

if( file_exists( "../LocalSettings.php" ) || file_exists( "../AdminSettings.php" ) ) {
	dieout( "
Wiki is configured.

Already configured... return to the wiki.

(You should probably remove this directory for added security.)
" );
}

if( file_exists( "./LocalSettings.php" ) || file_exists( "./AdminSettings.php" ) ) {
	dieout( "
You're configured!

Please move <tt>LocalSettings.php</tt> to the parent directory, then
	try out your wiki.
	(You should remove this config directory for added security once you're done.)
" );
}

if( !is_writable( "." ) ) {
	dieout( "
Can't write config file, aborting

In order to configure the wiki you have to make the <tt>config</tt> subdirectory
	writable by the web server. Once configuration is done you'll move the created
	<tt>LocalSettings.php</tt> to the parent directory, and for added safety you can
	then remove the <tt>config</tt> subdirectory entirely.

To make the directory writable on a Unix/Linux system:

	cd /path/to/wiki
	chmod a+w config

" );
}

require_once( "../install-utils.inc" );
require_once( "../maintenance/updaters.inc" );
require_once( "../maintenance/convertLinks.inc" );
require_once( "../maintenance/archives/moveCustomMessages.inc" );

class ConfigData {
	function getEncoded( $data ) {
		# Hackish
		global $wgUseLatin1;
		if( $wgUseLatin1 ) {
			return utf8_decode( $data ); /* to latin1 wikis */
		} else {
			return $data;
		}
	}
	function getSitename() { return $this->getEncoded( $this->Sitename ); }
	function getSysopName() { return $this->getEncoded( $this->SysopName ); }
	function getSysopPass() { return $this->getEncoded( $this->SysopPass ); }
}

?>

Please include all of the lines below when reporting installation problems.

Checking environment...

<?php
$endl = "
";
$conf = new ConfigData;

install_version_checks();

print "
PHP " . phpversion() . ": ";
if( version_compare( phpversion(), "5.0", "lt" ) ) {
 	print "ok";
} else {
	print " the MonoBook skin will be disabled due to an incompatibility
		between the PHPTAL template library and PHP 5. The wiki should
		function normally, but with the older look and feel.";
}
print "
\n";

if( ini_get( "register_globals" ) ) {
	?>

Warning: PHP's
	<tt>register_globals</tt>
	option is enabled. MediaWiki will work correctly, but this setting
	increases your exposure to potential security vulnerabilities in PHP-based
	software running on your server. You should disable it if you are able.

	<?php
}

if( ini_get( "safe_mode" ) ) {
	?>

Warning: PHP's
	safe mode is active!
	You will likely have problems caused by this. You may need to make the
	'images' subdirectory writable or specify a TMP environment variable pointing to
	a writable temporary directory owned by you, since safe mode breaks the system
	temporary directory.

	<?php
}

$sapi = php_sapi_name();
$conf->prettyURLs = true;
print "
PHP server API is $sapi; ";
switch( $sapi ) {
case "apache":
case "apache2handler":
	print "ok, using pretty URLs (<tt>index.php/Page_Title</tt>)";
	break;
case "cgi":
case "cgi-fcgi":
case "apache2filter":
	print "using ugly URLs (<tt>index.php?title=Page_Title</tt>)";
	$conf->prettyURLs = false;
	break;
default:
	print "unknown; using pretty URLs (<tt>index.php/Page_Title</tt>), if you have trouble change this in <tt>LocalSettings.php</tt>";
}
print "
\n";

$conf->xml = function_exists( "utf8_encode" );
if( $conf->xml ) {
	print "
Have XML / Latin1-UTF-8 conversion support.
\n";
} else {
	dieout( "PHP's XML module is missing; the wiki requires functions in
		this module and won't work in this configuration.
		If you're running Mandrake, install the php-xml package." );
}

$memlimit = ini_get( "memory_limit" );
$conf->raiseMemory = false;
if( empty( $memlimit ) ) {
	print "
PHP is configured with no <tt>memory_limit</tt>.
\n";
} else {
	print "
PHP's <tt>memory_limit</tt> is " . htmlspecialchars( $memlimit ) . ". If this is too low, installation may fail! ";
	$n = IntVal( $memlimit );
	if( preg_match( '/^([0-9]+)[Mm]$/', trim( $memlimit ), $m ) ) {
		$n = IntVal( $m[1] * (1024*1024) );
	}
	if( $n < 20*1024*1024 ) {
		print "Attempting to raise limit to 20M... ";
		if( false === ini_set( "memory_limit", "20M" ) ) {
			print "failed.";
		} else {
			$conf->raiseMemory = true;
			print "ok.";
		}
	}
	print "
\n";
}

$conf->zlib = function_exists( "gzencode" );
if( $conf->zlib ) {
	print "
Have zlib support; enabling output compression.
\n";
} else {
	print "
No zlib support.
\n";
}

$conf->ImageMagick = false;

$conf->HaveGD = function_exists( "imagejpeg" );
if( $conf->HaveGD ) {
	print "
Found GD graphics library built-in, image thumbnailing will be enabled if you enable uploads.
\n";
} else {
	$imcheck = array( "/usr/bin", "/usr/local/bin", "/sw/bin" );
	foreach( $imcheck as $dir ) {
		$im = "$dir/convert";
		if( file_exists( $im ) ) {
			print "
Found ImageMagick: <tt>$im</tt>; image thumbnailing will be enabled if you enable uploads.
\n";
			$conf->ImageMagick = $im;
			break;
		}
	}
	if( !$conf->ImageMagick ) {
		print "
Couldn't find GD library or ImageMagick; image thumbnailing disabled.
\n";
	}
}

$conf->UseImageResize = $conf->HaveGD || $conf->ImageMagick;

# $conf->IP = "/Users/brion/Sites/inplace";
$conf->IP = dirname( dirname( __FILE__ ) );
print "
Installation directory: <tt>" . htmlspecialchars( $conf->IP ) . "</tt>
\n";

# $conf->ScriptPath = "/~brion/inplace";
$conf->ScriptPath = preg_replace( '{^(.*)/config.*$}', '$1', $_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"] );
print "
Script URI path: <tt>" . htmlspecialchars( $conf->ScriptPath ) . "</tt>
\n";

	$conf->posted = ($_SERVER["REQUEST_METHOD"] == "POST");

	$conf->Sitename = ucfirst( importPost( "Sitename", "" ) );
	$conf->EmergencyContact = importPost( "EmergencyContact", $_SERVER["SERVER_ADMIN"] );
	$conf->DBserver = importPost( "DBserver", "localhost" );
	$conf->DBname = importPost( "DBname", "wikidb" );
	$conf->DBuser = importPost( "DBuser", "wikiuser" );
	$conf->DBpassword = importPost( "DBpassword" );
	$conf->DBpassword2 = importPost( "DBpassword2" );
	$conf->RootName = importPost( "RootName" );
	$conf->RootPW = importPost( "RootPW" );
	$conf->LanguageCode = importPost( "LanguageCode", "en" );
	$conf->SysopName = importPost( "SysopName", "WikiSysop" );
	$conf->SysopPass = importPost( "SysopPass" );
	$conf->SysopPass2 = importPost( "SysopPass2" );

/* Check for validity */
$errs = array();

if( $conf->Sitename == "" || $conf->Sitename == "MediaWiki" || $conf->Sitename == "Mediawiki" ) {
	$errs["Sitename"] = "Must not be blank or \"MediaWiki\".";
}
if( $conf->DBuser == "" ) {
	$errs["DBuser"] = "Must not be blank";
}
if( $conf->DBpassword == "" ) {
	$errs["DBpassword"] = "Must not be blank";
}
if( $conf->DBpassword != $conf->DBpassword2 ) {
	$errs["DBpassword2"] = "Passwords don't match!";
}

if( $conf->SysopPass == "" ) {
	$errs["SysopPass"] = "Must not be blank";
}
if( $conf->SysopPass != $conf->SysopPass2 ) {
	$errs["SysopPass2"] = "Passwords don't match!";
}

$conf->License = importRequest( "License", "none" );
if( $conf->License == "gfdl" ) {
	$conf->RightsUrl = "http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html";
	$conf->RightsText = "GNU Free Documentation License 1.2";
	$conf->RightsCode = "gfdl";
	$conf->RightsIcon = '${wgStylePath}/images/gnu-fdl.png';
} elseif( $conf->License == "none" ) {
	$conf->RightsUrl = $conf->RightsText = $conf->RightsCode = $conf->RightsIcon = "";
} else {
	$conf->RightsUrl = importRequest( "RightsUrl", "" );
	$conf->RightsText = importRequest( "RightsText", "" );
	$conf->RightsCode = importRequest( "RightsCode", "" );
	$conf->RightsIcon = importRequest( "RightsIcon", "" );
}

if( $conf->posted && ( 0 == count( $errs ) ) ) {
	do { /* So we can 'continue' to end prematurely */
		$conf->Root = ($conf->RootPW != "");

		/* Load up the settings and get installin' */
		$local = writeLocalSettings( $conf );
		$wgCommandLineMode = false;
		chdir( ".." );
		eval($local);
		$wgDBadminuser = $conf->RootName;
		$wgDBadminpassword = $conf->RootPW;
		$wgCommandLineMode = true;
		$wgUseDatabaseMessages = false;	/* FIXME: For database failure */
		require_once( "includes/Setup.php" );
		chdir( "config" );

		require_once( "../maintenance/InitialiseMessages.inc" );

		$wgTitle = Title::newFromText( "Installation script" );
		$wgDatabase = Database::newFromParams( $wgDBserver, $conf->RootName, $conf->RootPW, "", 1 );
		$wgDatabase->mIgnoreErrors = true;

		@$myver = mysql_get_server_info( $wgDatabase->mConn );
		if( $myver ) {
			$conf->Root = true;
			print "
Connected as root (automatic)
\n";
		} else {
			print "
MySQL error " . ($err = mysql_errno() ) .
				": " . htmlspecialchars( mysql_error() );
			$ok = false;
			switch( $err ) {
			case 1045:
				if( $conf->Root ) {
					$errs["RootPW"] = "Check password";
				} else {
					print "
Trying regular user...\n";
					/* Try the regular user... */
					$wgDBadminuser = $wgDBuser;
					$wgDBadminpassword = $wgDBpassword;
					$wgDatabase = Database::newFromParams( $wgDBserver, $wgDBuser, $wgDBpassword, "", 1 );
					$wgDatabase->isOpen();
					$wgDatabase->mIgnoreErrors = true;
					@$myver = mysql_get_server_info( $wgDatabase->mConn );
					if( !$myver ) {
						$errs["DBuser"] = "Check name/pass";
						$errs["DBpassword"] = "or enter root";
						$errs["DBpassword2"] = "password below";
						$errs["RootPW"] = "Got root?";
						print " need password.
\n";
					} else {
						$conf->Root = false;
						$conf->RootPW = "";
						print " ok.
\n";
						# And keep going...
						$ok = true;
					}
					break;
				}
			case 2002:
			case 2003:
				$errs["DBserver"] = "Connection failed";
				break;
			default:
				$errs["DBserver"] = "Couldn't connect to database";
				break;
			}
			if( !$ok ) continue;
		}

		if ( !$wgDatabase->isOpen() ) {
			$errs["DBserver"] = "Couldn't connect to database";
			continue;
		}

		print "
Connected to database... $myver";
		if( version_compare( $myver, "4.0.0" ) >= 0 ) {
			print "; enabling MySQL 4 enhancements";
			$conf->DBmysql4 = true;
			$local = writeLocalSettings( $conf );
		}
		print "
\n";

		@$sel = mysql_select_db( $wgDBname, $wgDatabase->mConn );
		if( $sel ) {
			print "
Database <tt>" . htmlspecialchars( $wgDBname ) . "</tt> exists
\n";
		} else {
			$res = $wgDatabase->query( "CREATE DATABASE `$wgDBname`" );
			if( !$res ) {
				print "
Couldn't create database <tt>" .
					htmlspecialchars( $wgDBname ) .
					"</tt>; try with root access or check your username/pass.
\n";
				$errs["RootPW"] = "<- Enter";
				continue;
			}
			print "
Created database <tt>" . htmlspecialchars( $wgDBname ) . "</tt>
\n";
		}

		$wgDatabase->selectDB( $wgDBname );

		if( $wgDatabase->tableExists( "cur" ) ) {
			print "
There are already MediaWiki tables in this database. Checking if updates are needed...
\n
";

			chdir( ".." );
			flush();
			do_ipblocks_update(); flush();
			do_interwiki_update(); flush();
			do_index_update(); flush();
			do_linkscc_update(); flush();
			do_linkscc_1_3_update(); flush();
			do_hitcounter_update(); flush();
			do_recentchanges_update(); flush();
			convertLinks(); flush();
			do_user_real_name_update(); flush();
			do_querycache_update(); flush();
			do_objectcache_update(); flush();
			do_categorylinks_update(); flush();

			if ( isTemplateInitialised() ) {
				print "Template namespace already initialised\n";
			} else {
				moveCustomMessages( 1 ); flush();
				moveCustomMessages( 2 ); flush();
				moveCustomMessages( 3 ); flush();
			}

			initialiseMessages(); flush();
			chdir( "config" );

			print "
\n";
			print "
Finished update checks.
\n";
		} else {
			# FIXME: Check for errors
			print "
Creating tables...";
			dbsource( "../maintenance/tables.sql", $wgDatabase );
			dbsource( "../maintenance/interwiki.sql", $wgDatabase );
			dbsource( "../maintenance/indexes.sql", $wgDatabase );
			print " done.
\n";

			print "
Initializing data...";
			$wgDatabase->query( "INSERT INTO site_stats (ss_row_id,ss_total_views," .
				"ss_total_edits,ss_good_articles) VALUES (1,0,0,0)" );
			# setting up the db user
			if( $conf->Root ) {
				print "
Granting user permissions...
\n";
				dbsource( "../maintenance/users.sql", $wgDatabase );
			}

			if( $conf->SysopName ) {
				$u = User::newFromName( $conf->getSysopName() );
				if ( 0 == $u->idForName() ) {
					$u->addToDatabase();
					$u->setPassword( $conf->getSysopPass() );
					$u->addRight( "sysop" );
					$u->addRight( "bureaucrat" );
					$u->saveSettings();
					print "
Created sysop account <tt>" .
						htmlspecialchars( $conf->SysopName ) . "</tt>.
\n";
				} else {
					print "
Could not create user - already exists!
\n";
				}
			} else {
				print "
Skipped sysop account creation, no name given.
\n";
			}

			print "
Initialising log pages...";
			$logs = array(
				"uploadlogpage" => "uploadlogpagetext",
				"dellogpage" => "dellogpagetext",
				"protectlogpage" => "protectlogtext",
				"blocklogpage" => "blocklogtext"
			);
			$metaNamespace = Namespace::getWikipedia();
			$now = wfTimestampNow();
			$won = wfInvertTimestamp( $now );
			foreach( $logs as $page => $text ) {
				$logTitle = wfStrencode( $wgLang->ucfirst( str_replace( " ", "_", wfMsgNoDB( $page ) ) ) );
				$logText = wfStrencode( wfMsgNoDB( $text ) );
				$wgDatabase->query( "INSERT INTO cur (cur_namespace,cur_title,cur_text," .
				  "cur_restrictions,cur_timestamp,inverse_timestamp,cur_touched) " .
				  "VALUES ($metaNamespace,'$logTitle','$logText','sysop','$now','$won','$now')" );
			}
			print "
\n";

			$titleobj = Title::newFromText( wfMsgNoDB( "mainpage" ) );
			$title = $titleobj->getDBkey();
			$sql = "INSERT INTO cur (cur_namespace,cur_title,cur_text,cur_timestamp,inverse_timestamp,cur_touched,cur_user,cur_user_text) " .
			  "VALUES (0,'$title','" .
			  wfStrencode( wfMsg( "mainpagetext" ) . "\n\n" . wfMsg( "mainpagedocfooter" ) ) .
			  "','$now','$won','$now',0,'MediaWiki default')";
			$wgDatabase->query( $sql, $fname );

			print "

";
			initialiseMessages();
			print "

\n";
		}

		/* Write out the config file now that all is well */
		print "
Creating LocalSettings.php...
\n\n";
		$localSettings =  "<" . "?php$endl$local$endl?" . ">";

		if( version_compare( phpversion(), "4.3.2" ) >= 0 ) {
			$xt = "xt"; # Refuse to overwrite an existing file
		} else {
			$xt = "wt"; # 'x' is not available prior to PHP 4.3.2. We did check above, but race conditions blah blah
		}
		$f = fopen( "LocalSettings.php", $xt );

		if( $f == false ) {
			dieout( "
Couldn't write out LocalSettings.php. Check that the directory permissions are correct and that there isn't already a file of that name here...
\n" .
			"
Here's the file that would have been written, try to paste it into place manually:
\n" .
			"
\n" . htmlspecialchars( $localSettings ) . "
\n" );
		}
		fwrite( $f, $localSettings );
		fclose( $f );

		print "
Success! Move the LocalSettings.php file into the parent directory, then follow
		ScriptPath}/index.php'>this link to your wiki.
\n";

	} while( false );
}
?>

<?php

if( count( $errs ) ) {
	/* Display options form */

	if( $conf->posted ) {
		echo "
Something's not quite right yet; make sure everything below is filled out correctly.
\n";
	}
?>

<form name="config" method="post">

Site config

		<?php
		aField( $conf, "Sitename", "Site name:" );
		?>

		Your site name should be a relatively short word. It'll appear as the namespace
		name for 'meta' pages as well as throughout the user interface. Good site names
		are things like "Wikipedia" and
		"OpenFacts"; avoid punctuation,
		which may cause problems.

		<?php
		aField( $conf, "EmergencyContact", "Contact e-mail" );
		?>

		This will be used as the return address for password reminders and
		may be displayed in some error conditions so visitors can get in
		touch with you.

		Language
		<select id="LanguageCode" name="LanguageCode">
		<?php
			$list = getLanguageList();
			foreach( $list as $code => $name ) {
				$sel = ($code == $conf->LanguageCode) ? "selected" : "";
				echo "\t\t<option value=\"$code\" $sel>$name</option>\n";
			}
		?>
		</select>

		You may select the language for the user interface of the wiki...
		Some localizations are less complete than others. This also controls
		the character encoding; Unicode is more flexible, but Latin-1 may be
		more compatible with older browsers for some languages. Unicode will
		be used where not specified otherwise.

		Copyright/license metadata

Select one:

<?php aField( $conf, "License", "no license metadata", "radio", "none" ); ?>

<?php aField( $conf, "License", "GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 (Wikipedia-compatible)", "radio", "gfdl" ); ?>

<?php
			aField( $conf, "License", "a Creative Commons license...", "radio", "cc" );
			$partner = "MediaWiki";
			$exit = urlencode( "$wgServer{$conf->ScriptPath}/config/index.php?License=cc&RightsUrl=[license_url]&RightsText=[license_name]&RightsCode=[license_code]&RightsIcon=[license_button]" );
			$icon = urlencode( "$wgServer$wgUploadPath/wiki.png" );
			$ccApp = htmlspecialchars( "http://creativecommons.org/license/?partner=$partner&exit_url=$exit&partner_icon_url=$icon" );
			print "choose";
			?> (link will wipe out any other data in this form!)
		<?php if( $conf->License == "cc" ) { ?>

<?php aField( $conf, "RightsIcon", "RightsIcon ) . "\" alt='icon' />", "hidden" ); ?>

<?php aField( $conf, "RightsText", htmlspecialchars( $conf->RightsText ), "hidden" ); ?>

<?php aField( $conf, "RightsCode", "code: " . htmlspecialchars( $conf->RightsCode ), "hidden" ); ?>

<?php aField( $conf, "RightsUrl", "RightsUrl ) . "\">" . htmlspecialchars( $conf->RightsUrl ) . "", "hidden" ); ?>

		<?php } ?>

		MediaWiki can include a basic license notice, icon, and machine-reable
		copyright metadata if your wiki's content is to be licensed under
		the GNU FDL or a Creative Commons license. If you're not sure, leave
		it at "none".

		<?php aField( $conf, "SysopName", "Sysop account name:", "" ) ?>

		<?php aField( $conf, "SysopPass", "password:", "password" ) ?>

		<?php aField( $conf, "SysopPass2", "again:", "password" ) ?>

		A sysop user account can lock or delete pages, block problematic IP
		addresses from editing, and other maintenance tasks. If creating a new
		wiki database, a sysop account will be created with the given name
		and password.

Database config

<?php
		aField( $conf, "DBserver", "MySQL server" );
	?>

		If your database server isn't on your web server, enter the name
		or IP address here.

<?php
		aField( $conf, "DBname", "Database name" );
	?>

<?php
		aField( $conf, "DBuser", "DB username" );
	?>

<?php
		aField( $conf, "DBpassword", "DB password", "password" );
	?>

<?php
		aField( $conf, "DBpassword2", "again", "password" );
	?>

		If you only have a single user account and database available,
		enter those here. If you have database root access (see below)
		you can specify new accounts/databases to be created.

		<?php
		aField( $conf, "RootName", "DB rootname" );
		?>

		<?php
		aField( $conf, "RootPW", "DB root password", "password" );
		?>

		You will only need this if the database and/or user account
		above don't already exist.
		Do not type in your machine's root password! MySQL
		has its own "root" user with a separate password. (It might
		even be blank, depending on your configuration.)

		<input type="submit" value="Install!" />

</form>

<?php
}

/* -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- */

function writeAdminSettings( $conf ) {
	return "
\$wgDBadminuser      = \"{$conf->DBadminuser}\";
\$wgDBadminpassword  = \"{$conf->DBadminpassword}\";
";
}

function escapePhpString( $string ) {
	return strtr( $string,
		array(
			"\n" => "\\n",
			"\r" => "\\r",
			"\t" => "\\t",
			"\\" => "\\\\",
			"\$" => "\\\$",
			"\"" => "\\\""
		));
}

function writeLocalSettings( $conf ) {
	$conf->DBmysql4 = @$conf->DBmysql4 ? 'true' : 'false';
	$conf->UseImageResize = $conf->UseImageResize ? 'true' : 'false';
	$conf->PasswordSender = $conf->EmergencyContact;
	if( preg_match( '/^([a-z]+)-latin1$/', $conf->LanguageCode, $m ) ) {
		$conf->LanguageCode = $m[1];
		$conf->Latin1 = true;
	} else {
		$conf->Latin1 = false;
	}
	$zlib = ($conf->zlib ? "" : "# ");
	$magic = ($conf->ImageMagick ? "" : "# ");
	$convert = ($conf->ImageMagick ? $conf->ImageMagick : "/usr/bin/convert" );
	$pretty = ($conf->prettyURLs ? "" : "# ");
	$ugly = ($conf->prettyURLs ? "# " : "");
	$rights = ($conf->RightsUrl) ? "" : "# ";

	$file = @fopen( "/dev/urandom", "r" );
	if ( $file ) {
		$proxyKey = bin2hex( fread( $file, 32 ) );
		fclose( $file );
	} else {
		$proxyKey = "";
		for ( $i=0; $i<8; $i++ ) {
			$proxyKey .= dechex(mt_rand(0, 0x7fffffff));
		}
		print "Warning: \$wgProxyKey is insecure\n";
	}

	# Add slashes to strings for double quoting
	$slconf = array_map( "escapePhpString", get_object_vars( $conf ) );

	$sep = (DIRECTORY_SEPARATOR == "\\") ? ";" : ":";
	return "
# This file was automatically generated by the MediaWiki installer.
# If you make manual changes, please keep track in case you need to
# recreate them later.

\$IP = \"{$slconf['IP']}\";
ini_set( \"include_path\", \".$sep\$IP$sep\$IP/includes$sep\$IP/languages\" );
require_once( \"DefaultSettings.php\" );

# If PHP's memory limit is very low, some operations may fail.
" . ($conf->raiseMemory ? '' : '# ' ) . "ini_set( 'memory_limit', '20M' );" . "

if ( \$wgCommandLineMode ) {
	if ( isset( \$_SERVER ) && array_key_exists( 'REQUEST_METHOD', \$_SERVER ) ) {
		die( \"This script must be run from the command line\\n\" );
	}
} else {
	## Compress output if the browser supports it
	{$zlib}if( !ini_get( 'zlib.output_compression' ) ) @ob_start( 'ob_gzhandler' );
}

\$wgSitename         = \"{$slconf['Sitename']}\";

\$wgScriptPath	    = \"{$slconf['ScriptPath']}\";
\$wgScript           = \"\$wgScriptPath/index.php\";
\$wgRedirectScript   = \"\$wgScriptPath/redirect.php\";

## If using PHP as a CGI module, use the ugly URLs
{$pretty}\$wgArticlePath      = \"\$wgScript/\$1\";
{$ugly}\$wgArticlePath      = \"\$wgScript?title=\$1\";

\$wgStylePath        = \"\$wgScriptPath/stylesheets\";
\$wgStyleDirectory   = \"\$IP/stylesheets\";
\$wgLogo             = \"\$wgStylePath/images/wiki.png\";

\$wgUploadPath       = \"\$wgScriptPath/images\";
\$wgUploadDirectory  = \"\$IP/images\";

\$wgEmergencyContact = \"{$slconf['EmergencyContact']}\";
\$wgPasswordSender	= \"{$slconf['PasswordSender']}\";

\$wgDBserver         = \"{$slconf['DBserver']}\";
\$wgDBname           = \"{$slconf['DBname']}\";
\$wgDBuser           = \"{$slconf['DBuser']}\";
\$wgDBpassword       = \"{$slconf['DBpassword']}\";

## To allow SQL queries through the wiki's Special:Askaql page,
## uncomment the next lines. THIS IS VERY INSECURE. If you want
## to allow semipublic read-only SQL access for your sysops,
## you should define a MySQL user with limited privileges.
## See MySQL docs: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/GRANT.html
#
# \$wgAllowSysopQueries = true;
# \$wgDBsqluser        = \"sqluser\";
# \$wgDBsqlpassword    = \"sqlpass\";

\$wgDBmysql4 = \$wgEnablePersistentLC = {$conf->DBmysql4};

## To enable image uploads, make sure the 'images' directory
## is writable, then uncomment this:
# \$wgDisableUploads		= false;
\$wgUseImageResize		= {$conf->UseImageResize};
{$magic}\$wgUseImageMagick = true;
{$magic}\$wgImageMagickConvertCommand = \"{$convert}\";

## If you have the appropriate support software installed
## you can enable inline LaTeX equations:
# \$wgUseTeX			= true;
\$wgMathPath         = \"{\$wgUploadPath}/math\";
\$wgMathDirectory    = \"{\$wgUploadDirectory}/math\";
\$wgTmpDirectory     = \"{\$wgUploadDirectory}/tmp\";

\$wgLocalInterwiki   = \$wgSitename;

\$wgLanguageCode = \"{$slconf['LanguageCode']}\";
\$wgUseLatin1 = " . ($conf->Latin1 ? 'true' : 'false') . ";\n

\$wgProxyKey = \"$proxyKey\";

## Default skin: you can change the default skin. Use the internal symbolic
## names, ie 'standard', 'nostalgia', 'cologneblue', 'monobook':
# \$wgDefaultSkin = 'monobook';

## For attaching licensing metadata to pages, and displaying an
## appropriate copyright notice / icon. GNU Free Documentation
## License and Creative Commons licenses are supported so far.
{$rights}\$wgEnableCreativeCommonsRdf = true;
\$wgRightsPage = \"\"; # Set to the title of a wiki page that describes your license/copyright
\$wgRightsUrl = \"{$conf->RightsUrl}\";
\$wgRightsText = \"{$conf->RightsText}\";
\$wgRightsIcon = \"{$conf->RightsIcon}\";
# \$wgRightsCode = \"{$conf->RightsCode}\"; # Not yet used
";
}

function dieout( $text ) {
	die( $text . "\n\n\n" );
}

function importVar( &$var, $name, $default = "" ) {
	if( isset( $var[$name] ) ) {
		$retval = $var[$name];
		if ( get_magic_quotes_gpc() ) {
			$retval = stripslashes( $retval );
		}
	} else {
		$retval = $default;
	}
	return $retval;
}

function importPost( $name, $default = "" ) {
	return importVar( $_POST, $name, $default );
}

function importRequest( $name, $default = "" ) {
	return importVar( $_REQUEST, $name, $default );
}

function aField( &$conf, $field, $text, $type = "", $value = "" ) {
	if( $type != "" ) {
		$xtype = "type=\"$type\"";
	} else {
		$xtype = "";
	}

	if(!(isset($id)) or ($id == "") ) $id = $field;
	$nolabel = ($type == "radio") || ($type == "hidden");
	if( $nolabel ) {
		echo "\t\t";
	} else {
		echo "\t\t$text\n";
	}

	if( $type == "radio" && $value == $conf->$field ) {
		$checked = "checked='checked'";
	} else {
		$checked = "";
	}
	echo "\t\t<input $xtype name=\"$field\" id=\"$id\" $checked value=\"";
	if( $type == "radio" ) {
		echo htmlspecialchars( $value );
	} else {
		echo htmlspecialchars( $conf->$field );
	}
	echo "\" />\n";
	if( $nolabel ) {
		echo " $text\n";
	}

	global $errs;
	if(isset($errs[$field])) echo "" . $errs[$field] . "\n";
}

function getLanguageList() {
	global $wgLanguageNames;
	if( !isset( $wgLanguageNames ) ) {
		$wgLanguageCode = "xxx";
		function wfLocalUrl( $x ) { return $x; }
		function wfLocalUrlE( $x ) { return $x; }
		require_once( "../languages/Names.php" );
	}

	$codes = array();
	$latin1 = array( "da", "de", "en", "es", "fr", "nl", "sv" );

	$d = opendir( "../languages" );
	while( false !== ($f = readdir( $d ) ) ) {
		if( preg_match( '/Language([A-Z][a-z_]+)\.php$/', $f, $m ) ) {
			$code = str_replace( '_', '-', strtolower( $m[1] ) );
			if ( array_key_exists( $code, $wgLanguageNames ) ) {
				if( in_array( $code, $latin1 ) ) {
					$codes[$code] = "$code - " . $wgLanguageNames[$code] . " - Unicode";
					$codes[$code.'-latin1'] = "$code - " . $wgLanguageNames[$code] . " - Latin-1";
				} else {
					$codes[$code] = "$code - " . $wgLanguageNames[$code];
				}
			}
		}
	}
	closedir( $d );
	ksort( $codes );
	return $codes;
}

?>


subject: [Foundation-l] Re: Indymedia and FBI

body:
On 13 Oct 2004, at 03:32, Anthere wrote:
> Jens Ropers a ?crit:
>> Yes, I confess: I'm an MCSE (among other things).
>> I was young and I needed the money.
>
> What is a MCSE ?

There are two answers to this.

One here:
http://tinyurl.com/546g3
and one here:
http://tinyurl.com/626z2


subject: [Foundation-l] Re: Indymedia and FBI


from_name: Erik Moeller

body:
Anthere-
> Erik and I discussed all this, and a proposal is to have a solid and
> clear presentation in english, then to have it translated and promoted.
> A poll will follow to clarify opinion of contributors toward that new
> project.

Here's my suggestion:

1) We cut down the Wikinews proposal to five minimal requirements:

   a) that we launch Wikinews in all languages where there are people
      interested in working on it;
   b) that the project goal is to report news in a wide range of
      subject areas from a neutral point of view;
   c) that it will include original reporting on these subjects;
   d) that articles will undergo at least three stages:
      development - publication - archiving;
   e) that, in recognition of the increased responsibility and legal
      liability that comes with original reporting, each Wikinews project
      will try to develop checks and balances to assure that articles are
      fair and accurate at the time of publication.

The specific implementation(s) and possible further requirements will be
worked out through the usual wiki process on the project website once it
is operational.

2) [[m:Wikinews]] will elaborate on these requirements.

3) [[m:Wikinews/Vote]] will list them in short form as above, and ask
users to vote on them (Yes/No).

4) [[m:Wikinews/Implementation proposals]] will be an open space for
exploring possible policies and software changes to satisfy requirements
b)-e) (this will include much of what is currently at [[m:Wikinews]]). The
purpose of this page is to make sure that we have some ideas to build upon
if/when we actually launch the project.

After these pages are finished, we will then invite translators to
translate at least [[m:Wikinews]] and [[m:Wikinews/Vote]]. There will be a
period of 7 days for translations.

After the period for translations is over, there will be a period of 21
days for voting. The vote will be widely publicized.

If, within the first 7 days of voting, there is a 90% level of agreement
or higher, the project can launch immediately. Seeing as this procedure
may well become the standard for future Wikimedia project proposals, I
find it important to minimize bureaucratic overhead for proposals which
have an exceptionally high level of agreement, even if that may not be the
case for Wikinews.

Is this agreeable?

Regards,

Eirk


from_name: Fred Bauder

body:
Being judgement proof is not an option, what will happen is that they will
seize the servers and domain names and hold them hostage til we raise the
money to pay.

Fred

> From: Michael Snow <wikipedia at earthlink.net>
> Reply-To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:04:31 -0700
> To: foundation-l at wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Foundation-l] Re: Formal request: Wikinews project
>
> Fred Bauder wrote:
>
>> Anyone with a damages decree is going to levy on the servers and the domain
>> names.
>>
>>
> Sure, because those are the only assets we have. But looking at it from
> the other side of this hypothetical, would it be worth the plaintiff's
> effort to get a damages decree? Wikimedia is, just like many other
> entities in the open source world, a thinly capitalized nonprofit
> organization without any well-developed revenue stream. The servers
> aren't worth that much in the overall scheme of things - possibly not
> enough to cover even our own legal fees, or if we rely on pro bono
> assistance, the other side's lawyers. Plus they're hardware that
> depreciates rapidly. As for the domain names, most of their value exists
> because we own them. They'd have no value to the plaintiff except in a
> sale, and even that would probably be wiped out by the substantial fork
> that would promptly arise should any lawsuit actually bankrupt Wikimedia.
>
> It only makes sense to go for damages if the defendant has the "deep
> pockets" to pay them. With us, the plaintiff's primary interest is
> likely to be a retraction and an injunction against continued
> publication of the offending material. If we find they actually have a
> case, it's much easier for everyone if we just withdraw the story and
> issue a retraction without all the litigation. Then we go on about our
> business, while the plaintiff gets to think, "Ha, I made them grovel and
> apologize, they'll tread very carefully if ever they write about me again."
>
> The organizations that budget millions for legal defense do so because
> they have millions to protect. We may be getting up there in terms of
> visibility, but in economic terms we're still a very small fish indeed.
>
> --Michael Snow
> _______________________________________________
> foundation-l mailing list
> foundation-l at wikimedia.org
> http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l


body:
I don't have any problem with this as long as legal liabilies are thought
through and we have funding and help available. Although, as I suggested,
you might check out how expensive serious litigation is, especially in the
US and UK.

Fred

> From: Andrew Lih <andrew.lih at gmail.com>
> Reply-To: Andrew Lih <andrew.lih at gmail.com>, Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
> <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:01:33 +0800
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Re: Formal request: Wikinews project
>
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:27:19 +1000, Tim Starling
> <t.starling at physics.unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
>> I don't understand why Wikinews will have any more exposure to legal
>> liability than Wikipedia. Wikipedia has been threatened with legal
>> action numerous times, for example by Khalid bin Mahfouz. Wikipedia has
>> many biographies of people who are only notable due to recent news
>> coverage, and these biographies typically consist of facts and rumours
>> originally published by the mainstream media.
>
> Technically, you're right that there is no increase in legal
> liability. However the nature of Wikinews brings about more legal
> situations currently not seen with Wikipedia. If Wikinews engages in
> primary source reporting, then it's possible to have whistleblower or
> leaked information make it into the hands of Wikinews
> editors/reporters, like with the Pentagon Papers or with the Valerie
> Plame identity. This is not too far fetched considering the positive
> reputation Wikipedia has right now. If the US Feds come knocking and
> say, "reveal your source," Wikinews has got to be prepared for that.
>
>> My point is just that if we decide to avoid Wikinews, it shouldn't be
>> for legal reasons.
>
> Yes, but Wikinews should have procedures in place and lawyers ready to
> tap on such matters.
>
> --
> Andrew Lih
> andrew.lih at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> foundation-l mailing list
> foundation-l at wikimedia.org
> http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l


subject: [Wikitech-l] Re: Uncaught bounce notification

body:
All the mails from foundation-l in the past hours are
bouncing on my mail box. I have no idea why. Is there
anyone to help me here ?

--- mailman-bounces at wikimedia.org wrote:

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> from it.  This mailing list has been configured to
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> unrecognized bounce messages to the list
> administrator(s).
>
> For more information see:
>
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>
>

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> Date: 13 Oct 2004 14:25:04 -0000
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> To: foundation-l-bounces at wikimedia.org
> Subject: Error
>
> Hello,
>
> There has been an error processing your email. The
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>
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> I dont'know if the subject has been already debated
> in the past, but we are going to publish on
> wikisource a thesis written by a fellow wikipedian
> who graduated last week in sociology. The nice thing
> about this is that the thesis is ON wikipedia
> (specifically the italian edition).
>
> Since we haven't found any other thesis published on
> wikisource, we asked ourselves if a thesis can be
> published there.
> On
>
http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:What_is_Wikisource%3F
> is stated that "Original writings by a Wikipedia
> contributor are excluded" (but given the subject of
> the thesis we think everyone will close an eye).
> Still a thesis is a document, that has a certain
> degree of academic recognition.
>
> The question is: wouldn't be nice (and useful) if
> wikisource could work also as a repository for
> thesis?
>
> Snowdog.
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subject: [Foundation-l] Re: Indymedia and FBI

body:
It takes courage to reveal this :-)

Daniel Mayer a ?crit:
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list: wikien-l

from_name: Charles Matthews

subject: [WikiEN-l] Article Categorization

body:
Cyril Thomas wrote

>How do I categorize an article?

If you simply edit in [[Category:India]] to an article (conventionally at
the bottom), the India category will be added. You can add any category; if
the added category doesn't yet exist it will appear in red.

Charles


subject: [WikiEN-l] Just gently _mark_ milestones

body:
Ray Saintonge

> This begs the question, "How do we define 'High level' sysop?"
>
> Ec

Yes, this is all the tail wagging the dog.

Charles


from_name: KNOTT, T

subject: [WikiEN-l] Disgraceful Behaviour

body:
>Just a couple of questions: who the hell are you? And what the hell are
>you gibbering about??
>
>Cheers!
>David...

This is Gordy. The person who I was talking about earlier.  He is upset
because I blocked him from editing Wikipedia for making legal threats.
See User talk:Gordy and Vandalism in progress.

Theresa


from_name: Carson, David

subject: [WikiEN-l] Disgraceful Behaviour

body:
> I am appalled by the manner in which I was freely abused and slandered
by > Wikipedia..

<snip a few pages of ranting>

Just a couple of questions: who the hell are you? And what the hell are
you gibbering about??

Cheers!
David...

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from_name: Tim Starling

subject: [Wikitech-l] Re: influence the cache

body:
Arvalux wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I've extended WikiMedia by a <php> tag, that I can include dynamic contents
> to the pages. See:
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/13631
> Now I've the problem that a rendered page will not be rendered again if it
> is cached.
>
> An example: The following lines are php code in a WikiMedia page.
>
> <php>
> // output the date in format yyyy-mm-dd, hh:nn:ss
> echo date('Y-m-d, H:i:s');
> </php>
>
> When this page is first rendere it produces the output:
>
> 2004-10-12 01:11:23
>
> Now clickling refresh doesn't change the output; hence *my question is*:
>
> How to
> # prevent a page from being cached?

The page is cached by the browser, because headers set by
OutputPage::sendCacheControl() tell it to. You can turn off the client
cache headers for a particular page by putting the following in your
ParsePHPTag() function:

global $wgOut;
$wgOut->enableClientCache(false);

> # force a reload of a page?

Ctrl-R in Mozilla & friends, ctrl-F5 in IE.

> # clear a certain page from cache?

You can update cur_touched and clear the squid cache if one exists by
requesting a purge URL e.g.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Some_article&action=purge

> # clear the cache?

To invalidate the cache for all pages at once, set $wgCacheEpoch in
LocalSettings.php to the current date, in YYYMMDDHHMMSS format.

-- Tim Starling


from_name: Cyril Thomas

subject: [WikiEN-l] Article Categorization

body:
Hi, greetings from India...
How do I categorize an article?
Thanks
Cyril

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>HistoryBuffer (pro-facts and pro-fairness)
>IZAK (intolerant of injustice)
>Jay (doubly just pro-facts and pro-fairness :-)
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subject: [Foundation-l] Wikisource as a repository for thesis

body:
rfrangi at coopetition.it wrote:

>I dont'know if the subject has been already debated in the past, but we are going to publish on wikisource a thesis written by a fellow wikipedian who graduated last week in sociology. The nice thing about this is that the thesis is ON wikipedia (specifically the italian edition).
>
>Since we haven't found any other thesis published on wikisource, we asked ourselves if a thesis can be published there.
>On http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:What_is_Wikisource%3F is stated that "Original writings by a Wikipedia contributor are excluded" (but given the subject of the thesis we think everyone will close an eye).
>Still a thesis is a document, that has a certain degree of academic recognition.
>
>The question is: wouldn't be nice (and useful) if wikisource could work also as a repository for thesis?
>
>
Speaking as a Wikisource admin and as the person who wrote most of that
policy page I think that I can safely say that such a thesis can be
accomodated.  That rule is primarily there to forestall those
individuals who are out to promote their own pet theories or bad poetry
that has never been published anywhere.  Perhaps they could be
accomodated at Wikibooks, but since I have very little involvement with
that project I cannot speak for them.

In this case I would tend to interpret the submission of the thesis to
the appropriate university authorities as a form of prior publication.

Including the thesis will leave it subject to the FDL rules for
copyright purposes.  The submission should include enough information to
legally identify you as the owner of the copyright so that we know that
you have the authority to release the text under a free distribution
licence.

Ec


list: wikipedia-l

from_name: Erdal Ronahi

subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: One Wikipedia - two scripts

body:
Brion wrote:

>
> It should be possible to edit [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] and add a
> style rule.

How is that done? I don't know CSS. What we need is this:

Non-latin (arabic) script letters should be shown as "Unikurd Web"
everywhere, if "Unikurd Web" is not installed, it should be Tahoma (as a
second choice).

Is there an easy way to do it?

Erdal


from_name: Gerard Meijssen

subject: [Wikitech-l] What is happening with the it:wiktionary

body:
The it:wiktionary is on lowercase characters but my Recent Changes on
it: gives me one moment all changes Capitalised and then not. It also
affects creating new lemma's sometimes I get a Capital sometimes I do
not where I should not.

Thanks,
    GerardM


body:
Tim Starling a ?crit:
> I don't understand why Wikinews will have any more exposure to legal
> liability than Wikipedia. Wikipedia has been threatened with legal
> action numerous times, for example by Khalid bin Mahfouz. Wikipedia has
> many biographies of people who are only notable due to recent news
> coverage, and these biographies typically consist of facts and rumours
> originally published by the mainstream media.
>
> My point is just that if we decide to avoid Wikinews, it shouldn't be
> for legal reasons.
>
> -- Tim Starling

One difference is that any wikipedia article can be edited (corrected)
on the spot, while wikinews articles will be frozen. A side correction
does not have the same effect at all. This might be a point to look for
(like a proeminent link to the correction available in the tool bar).

Still, if the article is frozen, then reused in another media (with the
mistake), we might have troubles. Great difference with usual media,
which are not reused due to copyright.

ant


from_name: Rowan Collins

subject: [Wikitech-l] Install-Script...

body:
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 03:54:25 +0000, Ivo K?thnig <koethnig at web.de> wrote:
> > I have made some modifications to the config/index.php.
> >
> > Now it should be possible to use anoter DB-user than "root" to create
> > DB-accounts and DBs for the wiki. Since I just tested that it works
> > for me, someone, who knows the code should check the modifications.
> >
> > --Ivo K?thnig
>
> second try for attachment...

Attachments are blocked by the mailing list due to problems with
viruses/trojans. Either attach your patch to a new bug in MediaZilla
(http://bugzilla.mediawiki.org) or upload it to a web-server
somewhere; then post the URL to the list.

--
Rowan Collins BSc
[IMSoP]


from_name: Jens Frank

subject:
AW: [Wikitech-l] influence the cache of a local WikiMedia
	installation

body:
On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 09:14:53PM +0100, Rowan Collins wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:04:47 +0200, Arvalux <arvalux at yahoo.de> wrote:
> > > $dbw->query("delete from cur"); would show better how useful your plugin
> > is.
> > I cannot accress $dbw. A "global $dbw;" doesn't help.
> > How to access variables like $dbw?
>
> I guess you should count yourself lucky: your hack is less insecure
> than it looks, and can't access global variables. I'm not too sure
> what it *might* be able to do though.

$dbw is no global. Use
	$dbw =& wfGetDB( DB_MASTER );
to initialize $dbw.

Regards,

	jens


from_name: rfrangi at coopetition.it

body:
I dont'know if the subject has been already debated in the past, but we are going to publish on wikisource a thesis written by a fellow wikipedian who graduated last week in sociology. The nice thing about this is that the thesis is ON wikipedia (specifically the italian edition).

Since we haven't found any other thesis published on wikisource, we asked ourselves if a thesis can be published there.
On http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:What_is_Wikisource%3F is stated that "Original writings by a Wikipedia contributor are excluded" (but given the subject of the thesis we think everyone will close an eye).
Still a thesis is a document, that has a certain degree of academic recognition.

The question is: wouldn't be nice (and useful) if wikisource could work also as a repository for thesis?

Snowdog.


subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Image tarball

body:
Andy Rabagliati wrote:
> Folks,
>
>   Just to keep you up to date, we have had great success with wikipedia
> installations in schools in South Africa.
>
>   I use these images for the install. I have downloaded more recent
> database snapshots to match with it, but for the most part if they
> cannot make a difference by reposting changes (which they cannot,
> as it is quite isolated in bandwidth-space) I just put a June snapshot
> (same date as the pictures) on.

I've added the image tarball generation to the backup script, so new
tarballs will be generated every week from now on. I'll see what I can
do regarding rsync or diffs.

I haven't yet added the tarballs to the download.wikimedia.org web page.
They can be found by browsing the following directories:

http://download.wikimedia.org/archives/
http://download.wikimedia.org/archives_wiktionary/
http://download.wikimedia.org/archives_wikiquote/
http://download.wikimedia.org/archives_wikibooks/
http://download.wikimedia.org/archives_special/

The upload.tar files are symlinks to the most recent date-specific
upload tarball, e.g. 20041013_upload.tar

The legal information regarding tarballs on download.wikimedia.org still
applies, quoted below:

"Unlike the article text, many images are not released under GFDL or the
public domain. These images are owned by external parties who may not
have consented to their use in Wikipedia. Wikipedia uses such images
under the doctrine of fair use under United States law. Use of such
images outside the context of Wikipedia or similar works may be illegal.
Also, many images legally require a credit or other attached copyright
information, and this copyright information is contained within the text
dumps above. Some images may be restricted to non-commercial use, or may
even be licensed exclusively to Wikipedia. Hence, download these images
at your own risk."

-- Tim Starling


from_name: Andrew Lih

body:
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:27:19 +1000, Tim Starling
<t.starling at physics.unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
> I don't understand why Wikinews will have any more exposure to legal
> liability than Wikipedia. Wikipedia has been threatened with legal
> action numerous times, for example by Khalid bin Mahfouz. Wikipedia has
> many biographies of people who are only notable due to recent news
> coverage, and these biographies typically consist of facts and rumours
> originally published by the mainstream media.

Technically, you're right that there is no increase in legal
liability. However the nature of Wikinews brings about more legal
situations currently not seen with Wikipedia. If Wikinews engages in
primary source reporting, then it's possible to have whistleblower or
leaked information make it into the hands of Wikinews
editors/reporters, like with the Pentagon Papers or with the Valerie
Plame identity. This is not too far fetched considering the positive
reputation Wikipedia has right now. If the US Feds come knocking and
say, "reveal your source," Wikinews has got to be prepared for that.

> My point is just that if we decide to avoid Wikinews, it shouldn't be
> for legal reasons.

Yes, but Wikinews should have procedures in place and lawyers ready to
tap on such matters.

--
Andrew Lih
andrew.lih at gmail.com


body:
I don't understand why Wikinews will have any more exposure to legal
liability than Wikipedia. Wikipedia has been threatened with legal
action numerous times, for example by Khalid bin Mahfouz. Wikipedia has
many biographies of people who are only notable due to recent news
coverage, and these biographies typically consist of facts and rumours
originally published by the mainstream media.

My point is just that if we decide to avoid Wikinews, it shouldn't be
for legal reasons.

-- Tim Starling


from_name: Minh Nguyen

subject: [Wikitech-l] Re: State of SVG support

body:
Brion Vibber wrote:
> Mozilla & Firefox don't have the built-in SVG support anywhere, so far
> as I know, since they refuse to enable it in the default build. The
> expected result if there's no built-in support and there's no plugin
> (such as the Adobe SVG viewer plugin) is that the PNG would show
> instead -- and that's exactly what happens on Mozilla 1.4.1 packaged by
> Fedora Core 1 and Mozilla 1.7.3 packaged by Fedora Core 2 and Firefox
> 0.10.1 packaged by the Mozilla Foundation for Win32.

For Firefox, although the default builds don't have SVG support, there
are special builds with the support every now and then; this currently
has two SVG-enabled builds, one for Linux and one for Windows:

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/contrib/latest-trunk/

There's also a more stable (0.9 branch) version for Windows at:

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/contrib/latest-0.9/

For Mozilla, there are currently two nightly builds for Linux, and three
for Windows (you can choose between the GDI, libart, and XTF
implementations):

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/nightly/contrib/latest-trunk/

> -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

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from_name: Duncan Harris

subject: [WikiEN-l] Requested moves

body:
Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested moves for
sorting out illegal moves, and please comment on the talk page, I think it's
almost ready to roll.

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from_name: Jens Ropers

subject: [WikiEN-l] Disgraceful Behaviour

body:
On 13 Oct 2004, at 09:34, KNOTT, T wrote:

> This is Gordy. The person who I was talking about earlier.  He is upset
> because I blocked him from editing Wikipedia for making legal threats.
> See User talk:Gordy and Vandalism in progress.
>
> Theresa

Uh-oh.
It appears this controversy took off following my addition of a URL to
the [[Kenneth Bigley]] article, see this diff:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?
>> title=Kenneth_Bigley&diff=6477239&oldid=6477132
If my actions triggered this dispute, then I am '''extremely''' sorry
for this and I would like to apologize unreservedly.
It was not my intention to launch a destructive controversy. I only
added the (admittedly controversial) reference after [[RT? News]]
reported that the terrorists had released a final video of Mr. Bigley.
I did not add a live link and only added the video following the
precedents set by other hostage articles. But apparently what I did was
enough to prompt questionable activity -- I seem to have opened a can
of worms.

--ropers

PS: Since the poster to this list has made legal threats to us here,
should he be banned from this list? Making legal threats is against our
policy, after all.


body:
Fred --
I just remembered something. [[KPMG]] handle these things in an
interesting way: They have entirely separate legal entities in several
countries and those entities are then members of a Swiss Verein
(cooperative). This ensures that they're totally insulated against each
other in legal respects.

-- ropers [[en:User:Ropers]]
     www.ropersonline.com

On 13 Oct 2004, at 15:19, Fred Bauder wrote:

> I don't have any problem with this as long as legal liabilies are
> thought
> through and we have funding and help available. Although, as I
> suggested,
> you might check out how expensive serious litigation is, especially in
> the
> US and UK.
>
> Fred
>
>> From: Andrew Lih <andrew.lih at gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: Andrew Lih <andrew.lih at gmail.com>, Wikimedia Foundation
>> Mailing List
>> <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
>> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:01:33 +0800
>> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Re: Formal request: Wikinews project
>>
>> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:27:19 +1000, Tim Starling
>> <t.starling at physics.unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
>>> I don't understand why Wikinews will have any more exposure to legal
>>> liability than Wikipedia. Wikipedia has been threatened with legal
>>> action numerous times, for example by Khalid bin Mahfouz. Wikipedia
>>> has
>>> many biographies of people who are only notable due to recent news
>>> coverage, and these biographies typically consist of facts and
>>> rumours
>>> originally published by the mainstream media.
>>
>> Technically, you're right that there is no increase in legal
>> liability. However the nature of Wikinews brings about more legal
>> situations currently not seen with Wikipedia. If Wikinews engages in
>> primary source reporting, then it's possible to have whistleblower or
>> leaked information make it into the hands of Wikinews
>> editors/reporters, like with the Pentagon Papers or with the Valerie
>> Plame identity. This is not too far fetched considering the positive
>> reputation Wikipedia has right now. If the US Feds come knocking and
>> say, "reveal your source," Wikinews has got to be prepared for that.
>>
>>> My point is just that if we decide to avoid Wikinews, it shouldn't be
>>> for legal reasons.
>>
>> Yes, but Wikinews should have procedures in place and lawyers ready to
>> tap on such matters.
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Lih
>> andrew.lih at gmail.com
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from_name: Yann Forget

body:
Le Wednesday 13 October 2004 16:24, rfrangi at coopetition.it a ?crit :
> I dont'know if the subject has been already debated in the past, but we are
> going to publish on wikisource a thesis written by a fellow wikipedian who
> graduated last week in sociology. The nice thing about this is that the
> thesis is ON wikipedia (specifically the italian edition).
>
> Since we haven't found any other thesis published on wikisource, we asked
> ourselves if a thesis can be published there. On
> http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:What_is_Wikisource%3F is stated that
> "Original writings by a Wikipedia contributor are excluded" (but given the
> subject of the thesis we think everyone will close an eye). Still a thesis
> is a document, that has a certain degree of academic recognition.
>
> The question is: wouldn't be nice (and useful) if wikisource could work
> also as a repository for thesis?

Yes, IMO, this kind is document has its place in Wikisource.

> Snowdog.

Yann
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from_name: Anthere

subject: [Foundation-l] Re: Wikisource as a repository for thesis

body:
rfrangi at coopetition.it a ?crit:
> I dont'know if the subject has been already debated in the past, but we are going to publish on wikisource a thesis written by a fellow wikipedian who graduated last week in sociology. The nice thing about this is that the thesis is ON wikipedia (specifically the italian edition).
>
> Since we haven't found any other thesis published on wikisource, we asked ourselves if a thesis can be published there.
> On http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:What_is_Wikisource%3F is stated that "Original writings by a Wikipedia contributor are excluded" (but given the subject of the thesis we think everyone will close an eye).
> Still a thesis is a document, that has a certain degree of academic recognition.
>
> The question is: wouldn't be nice (and useful) if wikisource could work also as a repository for thesis?
>
> Snowdog.

I would say yes. ant


from_name: csherlock at ljh.com.au

subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: POV Pushers (was: The "months later" effect)

body:
Rebecca wrote:
> With the idea technical measures of banning certain users from certain
> articles, I think Ed's right on the money. Ed's sensible enough to
> know that he might not be able to stay neutral on global warming, so
> he doesn't edit articles related to this. There's some topics on which
> I'm the same. But for those users who don't know any better, I think
> this would be an apt solution. I know it's already been done in
> certain cases by the ArbCom, but I'd like to see it in greater use and
> perhaps (if it was to become a technical measure) able to be acted
> upon by any sysop (though of course, with stringent guidelines to
> avoid abuse). The idea of banning IPs from editing certain articles, I
> believe, would be very wise as well.
>
> - ambi

I was just thinking "what sort of article could I not be able to edit?"
and I started to think that there technically isn't one I can think of
that I can't calm down and logically NPOV. Then I remembered me edits of
[[Childlove movement]]. 'nuff said.

TBSDY


subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: Disgraceful Behaviour

body:
Hello "zionprophet",

Perhaps if you could details what these abuses are and the manner in
which you want us to rectify them then we would be better able to come
to some sort of solution to this issue.

Out of interest, what is your Wikipedia username?

TBSDY

zionprophet wrote:
> I am appalled by the manner in which I was freely abused and slandered by wikipedia, and I am further stunned that during a websearch, all of the derogatory remarks were freely available from the first few search pages of Yahoo and Google, mentioning me by name, and also my IP address, with accusation of being a spammer and also a direct inference by a one Theresa Knott of being a 'liar'.
>
> I have hardly used wiki, and visited two days ago for the first time in months, and was shocked at my treatment.
>
> I contact wiki president Jimmy Wales, who has made it clear that he 'stands by' his admin decisions and attitudes.
>
> After a variety of discussions and e-mails, I finally lost patience with this unforgiveable attitude and arrogant stance, and notified Mr Wales that I intend to raise legal proceedings against wikipedia. This type of freely accesible derogatory, slanderous information, including posting an individuals IP address on the internet , could have serious consequences for many people. Wiki even concedes in it;s own pages, that such things can occur more or less 'by accident', but make no effort to correct or remove slanderous comments and peron's IP addresses. In a world where IP Blacklists sites have been greatly on the rise, wiki has set a dangerous precedent for itself, and made itslef a law unto itself.
>
> I am interested in hearing from other aggrieved parties, who would be willing to provide testimony of their treatment by wiki admins, including derogatory, defammatory/slanderous comments, accusations and IP address posting. You can contact me by e-mail at zionprophet at zioncities.com, in full confidence.
>
> I am in the process of setting up a website concerning this, warning other webusers of the atrocious behaviour by wiki and it's president and administrator's, and shall keep anyone who contacts me fully advised of these matters.
>
> For anyone who tries to 'infiltrate' this matter on the behalf of wiki as some kind of 'mole', don;t bother wasting your time. Wiki shall be kept abreast of everything, and any person behaving in such a scurrillous manner shall further be dealt with legally.
>
> Regards,
>
> zionprophet


from_name: Michael Snow

body:
Fred Bauder wrote:

>Being judgement proof is not an option, what will happen is that they will
>seize the servers and domain names and hold them hostage til we raise the
>money to pay.
>
>
What I'm trying to illustrate is that in a civil action for damages, by
the time a substantial judgment is issued, Wikimedia as a legal entity
would be effectively dead anyway. Thanks to the copyleft licensing, the
content would already have moved to the fork that would undoubtedly
start, and many of the contributors would follow. There wouldn't be much
of anyone left to demand the ransom from, and in any case after a
judgment you can seize assets but you can't generally require people to
raise new funds. And given the choice, who will the public at large
donate money to: the fork that is carrying on Wikimedia's work, or the
original Wikimedia that has to turn over anything it receives to the
plaintiff?

The actual seizure and "hostage-holding" hypothesized here would come at
the very end of the litigation process. It would be like picking up the
pieces of a corpse, while the phoenix springs up again in another
location. A painful experience to be sure, and one to be avoided if
possible. But given that this result probably does not benefit either
the plaintiff or the plaintiff's lawyer, it would take quite a
combination of incompetence, malice, and irrationality, both on our part
and theirs, to bring this nightmare scenario to pass. Publish a
retraction if it turns out the plaintiff is right, and let them know
that pursuing damages will not be lucrative.

I think seizure of property in the context of a criminal investigation
would be a bigger concern, since this can happen prior to judgment and
with little or no warning. In other words, the Indymedia situation. For
that problem, the answer has less to do with financial resources and
corporation shell games, and lies more with careful fact-checking and
pre-publication review.

--Michael Snow


body:
Hi,

Le Wednesday 13 October 2004 06:13, Erik Moeller a ?crit :
> Anthere-
>
> > Erik and I discussed all this, and a proposal is to have a solid and
> > clear presentation in english, then to have it translated and promoted.
> > A poll will follow to clarify opinion of contributors toward that new
> > project.
>
> Here's my suggestion:
>
> 1) We cut down the Wikinews proposal to five minimal requirements:
>
>    a) that we launch Wikinews in all languages where there are people
>       interested in working on it;

How do you think different languages will be organized ?
With different domains like Wikipedia or all languages within one domain like
Wikisource now?? In the later case, the multilingual interface should be
available before the start of the project, IMO.

>    b) that the project goal is to report news in a wide range of
>       subject areas from a neutral point of view;
>    c) that it will include original reporting on these subjects;
>    d) that articles will undergo at least three stages:
>       development - publication - archiving;
>    e) that, in recognition of the increased responsibility and legal
>       liability that comes with original reporting, each Wikinews project
>       will try to develop checks and balances to assure that articles are
>       fair and accurate at the time of publication.
>
> The specific implementation(s) and possible further requirements will be
> worked out through the usual wiki process on the project website once it
> is operational.
>
> 2) [[m:Wikinews]] will elaborate on these requirements.
>
> 3) [[m:Wikinews/Vote]] will list them in short form as above, and ask
> users to vote on them (Yes/No).
>
> 4) [[m:Wikinews/Implementation proposals]] will be an open space for
> exploring possible policies and software changes to satisfy requirements
> b)-e) (this will include much of what is currently at [[m:Wikinews]]). The
> purpose of this page is to make sure that we have some ideas to build upon
> if/when we actually launch the project.
>
> After these pages are finished, we will then invite translators to
> translate at least [[m:Wikinews]] and [[m:Wikinews/Vote]]. There will be a
> period of 7 days for translations.

I?can help translation into French if needed.

> After the period for translations is over, there will be a period of 21
> days for voting. The vote will be widely publicized.
>
> If, within the first 7 days of voting, there is a 90% level of agreement
> or higher, the project can launch immediately. Seeing as this procedure
> may well become the standard for future Wikimedia project proposals, I
> find it important to minimize bureaucratic overhead for proposals which
> have an exceptionally high level of agreement, even if that may not be the
> case for Wikinews.
>
> Is this agreeable?
>
> Regards,
>
> Erik

Yann
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subject: [Wikitech-l] Weird behaviour

body:
Hoi,
On it-wiktionary there is some odd behaviour going on. The result is
that a page does not render well when saved but does in preview mode.
When the line ends with a ; the next template is wrong. When I remove
the ; it renders fine after saving. Any idea ?? [[wikt:it:Austria]].

Thanks,
    GerardM


from_name: Mark Williamson

body:
Still wondering, is there any sort of unified standard?

Languages such as Sicilian, Sardinian, etc have only recently gotten
standard versions.

Dialect differences have always been a problem for Sicilian and
Sardinian, there was no single dialect that you could use without
upsetting people or causing confusion.

So advisory committees were formed, and they formulated proposals for
unified versions of these languages. Currently, the Limba Sarda
Unificata (Unified Sardinian) standard is official in the Sardinian
province of Nugoro, and it is being promoted everywhere. Its intention
is to be a bridge between the different dialects, a sort of linguistic
"least common denominator" which works for everybody.

It did cause some upset because everybody was most supportive of their
own dialect, but it is a much better option than using any single
Sardinian dialect.

Now, whether or not this can be done for a language depends on how
different the dialects are. For some languages, you can just take the
dialect of the capital or largest city and use that, but for other
languages there is too much linguistic regionalism and such a move
would cause problems with speakers of other dialects. In these cases
it is normal for a country or political unit to try "language
planning" and to formulate a sort of "least common denominator".

That approach generally works the best with languages that don't have
really vastly differing dialects, but the dialects aren't close enough
that people understand each other easily. There have been attempts to
do the same sort of thing for groups of languages, for example
Interlingua for Western Romance languages, and in some cases they have
worked, in others they have failed.

best,
node

ps
even if this problem is not dealt with now, it will need to be dealt
with by any future kurdish nation-state

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:10:36 -0700, Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmm... How different are Zazaki and Kurmanci and Sorani? Is there any
> sort of unified standard already existing?
>
> If possible, one of the best options would probably be to use a
> unified standard which either might already exist or which you might
> devise yourselves (or you could find somebody else to help devise it
> for you).
>
> Of course this won't work if Zazaki and Kurmanci and Sorani are too
> different, but if not it would be good because otherwise there will
> need to be 6 versions of each article (Zazaki Latin, Kurmanci Latin,
> Sorani Latin, Zazaki Arabic, Kurmanci Arabic, Sorani Arabic) or
> something similar.
>
> Best,
> Node
>
>
>
> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:42:20 +0200, Erdal Ronahi <erdal.ronahi at gmx.net> wrote:
> > Hi Mark and everybody,
> >
> > Yes, Tahoma works (but is ugly and therefore not used on ar: for
> > example) and is even more widespread than Unikurd Web. I just tried it
> > on http://ku.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Fontexample. The words there
> > should look similar with the only difference being the diacriticals.
> >
> > I have not expressed myself correctly. The problem was not only the
> > font, but the fact one cannot tell Wikipedia to use one font throughout
> > an article if there are headings and lists. For the page name it doesn't
> > work anyway. Something I forgot to mention was the edit window, words
> > appear differently in the edit window and on the page or in the preview.
> >
> > An automatic script converter would be a fine thing, but there are also
> > dialect differences. So an article in the two main dialects Kurmanci and
> > Sorani would exist four times after automatic conversion into both
> > scripts. At the moment we have three dialects represented which are only
> > partly mutually intellegible. Until now all Sorani is written in arabic
> > letter, all Kurmanci and Zazaki in latin letter with links to each other
> > if the same article exists in different dialects. We like it that way,
> > there were no objections yet.
> >
> > But because arabic and latin script are used for either of them,
> > automatic script conversion would be fine on the long run. Technically
> > it should be possible, as far as I know 1:1 conversion is possible.
> >
> >
> >
> > Erdal
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikipedia-l mailing list
> > Wikipedia-l at Wikimedia.org
> > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
> >
>


from_name: Polytarp!

subject: [WikiEN-l] Administrator Abuse

body:
To whom it may concern (and it should concern everyone!):

I have reason(s) to believe that one or more of the administrator(s)
of the Wikipaedia Online Encyclopaedia, owned and/or operated by (the)
Wikemaedia Foundation, Inc./Org./Co., has violated one (1) or more
(>1) of Wikipaedia's or/and (the) Wikimaedia Foundation,
Inc./Co./Org.'s rules &/| regulations.  I was prompted to believe this
by the following message, which appeared when I attempted to make a
delightful, beneficial, truthful, and good (though not necessarily in
that order) addition to an article about that most lovable and eminent
among preemnient German philosophers, Friedrick Nietzsche the First
(1st):

...

Your user name or IP address has been blocked by RickK.

The reason given is this:
all of user\'s edits are vandalism -- was blocked, came back, and
immediately began vandalizing again

...

Everyone who reads this message is someone who cares about Wikipedia.
We all enjoy contributing to it, and do so in the best of faith, and
are determined to make it grow and succeed.  Imagine the shock-horror
any one (1) of us would feel upon being excluded from doing so by an
apparently malicious stranger.

I knew that none of my\ edits were vandalism.  All were made in good
faith and with the foremost intention of improving the Wikipaedia.  I
therefore figured that it was a mistake; perhaps, as another part of
the message suggested, "...[a user] with a [dynamic IP had been]
blocked accidentally, due to that fact that [his] present IP [had
been] previously used by a blocked user."  To verify whether or not
this was the case, I went to the block list to check.  It was then I
learned the ban wasn't an accident.  Someone going by the name of Erl,
RickK had banned me indefinitely and purposely:

22:06, 9 Oct 2004, RickK blocked Ute Oronto (expires indefinite)
(contribs) (all of user\'s edits are vandalism -- was blocked, came
back, and immediately began vandalizing again)

Who was this RickK?  Who would ban a user who had made countless
useful good faith edits, and call these malicious acts of vandalism?
Who could be so kerlish?

It was then I remembered:  The day or so previous, I had reverted some
vandalism inflicted upon the Neva article.  Someone had removed the
Geo-stub template.  I replaced it, and checked to see who the errant
user could be.  Noting that it was a long time user, who should know
better, I added him to the vandalism and progress list and went on
with my day.

Could this have been the same person as the one who banned me?  I
checked.  It was him, apparently seeking to quiet me and to enact
vengence upon me.

However, I (capital i, not number one) refuse to be quiet about this
issue.  I'm E-mailing all of you this so that we'll no longer have
administrators who feel free to vandalize Wikipaedia and then silence
users who object by banning them indefinitely for supposedly commiting
the very same Wikicraeme.

Lovingly yours,

Ute Oronto.


from_name: Stan Shebs

subject: [Wikipedia-l] Articles that might draw fire.

body:
Omri Schwarz wrote:

>Hi, folks.
>
>I and some friends have been discussing the issue of whether 10 years
>from now it will become important for your average corporate manager
>not to do anything that might wind up being documented in his company's
>Wikipedia entry. A brief look through Wikipedia does show articles
>detailing the controversial actions of some corporations, but not enough
>to indicate a concerted effort by any corporate history geeks or labor
>history geeks.
>
We (I, anyway) would be ecstatic if you started out by documenting
basic company history, who owns who, what businesses they're in, etc.
Many times we have articles making half-substantiated allegations,
and there's not even information on when a company was founded or
what it does.

Articles with the uncontested facts on major companies should
an expected part of WP, just like articles on cities and provinces.
Also, corporate malfeasance material will be far more plausible
if the basic facts are correct.

Stan


subject: [Foundation-l] Alterego

body:
User Alterego mail (Alterego.3101710 at bloglines.com) reception has been
removed for excess bouncing (the account has been kept, but Alterego
will not receive mails any more).

In case you (Brian) need to receive mailing list again, connect yourself
to your user account and change your preferences.

ant (mailing list admin at her odd hours)


subject: [Foundation-l] Alterego


from_name: Omri Schwarz

body:
Hi, folks.

I and some friends have been discussing the issue of whether 10 years
from now it will become important for your average corporate manager
not to do anything that might wind up being documented in his company's
Wikipedia entry. A brief look through Wikipedia does show articles
detailing the controversial actions of some corporations, but not enough
to indicate a concerted effort by any corporate history geeks or labor
history geeks.

Said friends reached the conclusion that the addition of many articles
on corporate history and ongoing activities would be a good thing indeed,
but a concerted effort to do so would be obnoxious, since it increases the
chance of Wikipedia facing disruptive efforts (in the form of legal threats
or revert-wars conducted by paid minions). It would be a good thing since
a wiki is not time indexed, like any press article, and cannot just be
"ridden out." But before any effort is made to write articles on
corporate activities, it would be good to come here and ask whether
possibly controversial articles are wellcome in Wikipedia, or whether a
fork of the project would be a better thing to do.

So, what do y'all think?

Thanks for your attention,

Omri Schwarz


from_name: Phil Sandifer

subject: [WikiEN-l] Administrator Abuse

body:
Indeed, Oronto was not a vandal.

He was a troll, a POV pusher, and a moron. His countless good faith
edits amount to less than 50, all of which either involved adding a
sentence accusing Nietzsche of "absurd and childish hatred of women"
(Which he insisted was a NPOV characterization) or adding the {{test}}
message to the userpage of anyone who reverted him.

This is not vandalism.

Now, having established that, good riddance.

-Snowspinner

On Oct 13, 2004, at 10:38 PM, Polytarp! wrote:

> To whom it may concern (and it should concern everyone!):
>
> I have reason(s) to believe that one or more of the administrator(s)
> of the Wikipaedia Online Encyclopaedia, owned and/or operated by (the)
> Wikemaedia Foundation, Inc./Org./Co., has violated one (1) or more
> (>1) of Wikipaedia's or/and (the) Wikimaedia Foundation,
> Inc./Co./Org.'s rules &/| regulations.  I was prompted to believe this
> by the following message, which appeared when I attempted to make a
> delightful, beneficial, truthful, and good (though not necessarily in
> that order) addition to an article about that most lovable and eminent
> among preemnient German philosophers, Friedrick Nietzsche the First
> (1st):
>
> ...
>
> Your user name or IP address has been blocked by RickK.
>
> The reason given is this:
> all of user\'s edits are vandalism -- was blocked, came back, and
> immediately began vandalizing again
>
> ...
>
> Everyone who reads this message is someone who cares about Wikipedia.
> We all enjoy contributing to it, and do so in the best of faith, and
> are determined to make it grow and succeed.  Imagine the shock-horror
> any one (1) of us would feel upon being excluded from doing so by an
> apparently malicious stranger.
>
> I knew that none of my\ edits were vandalism.  All were made in good
> faith and with the foremost intention of improving the Wikipaedia.  I
> therefore figured that it was a mistake; perhaps, as another part of
> the message suggested, "...[a user] with a [dynamic IP had been]
> blocked accidentally, due to that fact that [his] present IP [had
> been] previously used by a blocked user."  To verify whether or not
> this was the case, I went to the block list to check.  It was then I
> learned the ban wasn't an accident.  Someone going by the name of Erl,
> RickK had banned me indefinitely and purposely:
>
> 22:06, 9 Oct 2004, RickK blocked Ute Oronto (expires indefinite)
> (contribs) (all of user\'s edits are vandalism -- was blocked, came
> back, and immediately began vandalizing again)
>
> Who was this RickK?  Who would ban a user who had made countless
> useful good faith edits, and call these malicious acts of vandalism?
> Who could be so kerlish?
>
> It was then I remembered:  The day or so previous, I had reverted some
> vandalism inflicted upon the Neva article.  Someone had removed the
> Geo-stub template.  I replaced it, and checked to see who the errant
> user could be.  Noting that it was a long time user, who should know
> better, I added him to the vandalism and progress list and went on
> with my day.
>
> Could this have been the same person as the one who banned me?  I
> checked.  It was him, apparently seeking to quiet me and to enact
> vengence upon me.
>
> However, I (capital i, not number one) refuse to be quiet about this
> issue.  I'm E-mailing all of you this so that we'll no longer have
> administrators who feel free to vandalize Wikipaedia and then silence
> users who object by banning them indefinitely for supposedly commiting
> the very same Wikicraeme.
>
> Lovingly yours,
>
> Ute Oronto.
> _______________________________________________
> WikiEN-l mailing list
> WikiEN-l at Wikipedia.org
> http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
>


from_name: andyr at wizzy.com

subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Image tarball

body:
Andy Rabagliati wrote:
> >
> >  Just to keep you up to date, we have had great success with wikipedia
> >installations in schools in South Africa.
> >

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Tim Starling wrote:

> I've added the image tarball generation to the backup script, so new
> tarballs will be generated every week from now on.

14Gig - Owww.

In a few short months it has grown from 3Gig.

I (knapsack)-package it as

wikipedia-images-11-2004.06.01-wiz.noarch.rpm  wikipedia-images-96-2004.06.01-wiz.noarch.rpm
wikipedia-images-6b-2004.06.01-wiz.noarch.rpm  wikipedia-images-f9-2004.06.01-wiz.noarch.rpm
wikipedia-images-70-2004.06.01-wiz.noarch.rpm  wikipedia-images-fa-2004.06.01-wiz.noarch.rpm
wikipedia-images-83-2004.06.01-wiz.noarch.rpm

...

on 4 CD disks with

wikipedia-tables-2004.03.27-wiz.noarch.rpm  (320M)	(en edition)

I ignore anything in the tarballs that doesn't match [0-9a-f]/../

Cuts out a lot of dross.

We are moving into DVD space.

I had all three LOTR books on my PalmIIIc with 8Meg RAM earlier this year.

I think there is a market for an image-compressed archive, more compatible
with my palm pilot. I realise the problem is about licensing.

[I bought a new laptop the other day - IR and serial is 'legacy' now ..]

How are we going to carry the bandwidth around?

Cheers,  Andy!

http://wizzy.org.za/