subject: [Wikitech-l] Spellchecking

body:
Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:
> On Sat, May 10, 2003 at 06:55:17PM +0200, Thomas Corell wrote:
>

> Of course it can't possibly work.
> Encyclopedia contains too many proper names and other stuff that no
> dictionary knows.

No way to get a dictionary which will work for everything. It's like the MS
Word(TM) spellchecking: A lot of words marked wrong are spelled correct,
but some easy spelling error can be found. This is of course far from a
perfect spellchecking. It's not supposed to be a perfect one. But it's a
way to get one.

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from_name: koyaanis qatsi

subject: [WikiEN-l] NBtarheel33 is putting goatse everywhere

body:
could NBtarheel33 be banned ASAP, please, for dropping
the goatse image everywhere?

thanks

kq

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from_name: Zoe

body:
He's also apparently 12.64.66.146 and 12.64.66.123,
the Breanna, North Carolina vandal, who wrote on votes
for deletioin: "fuckin DELETE ME AND PAY THE
CONSEQUESTIONS."

--- koyaanis qatsi <obchodnakorze at yahoo.com> wrote:
> could NBtarheel33 be banned ASAP, please, for
> dropping
> the goatse image everywhere?
>
> thanks
>
> kq
>
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from_name: Marco Krohn

subject: [Wikitech-l] Spellchecking

body:
On Saturday 10 May 2003 19:38, Thomas Corell wrote:

> No way to get a dictionary which will work for everything. It's like the MS
> Word(TM) spellchecking: A lot of words marked wrong are spelled correct,
> but some easy spelling error can be found. This is of course far from a
> perfect spellchecking. It's not supposed to be a perfect one. But it's a
> way to get one.

IMHO the expected number of false postives will look very bad on the webpage.
On the other hand konqueror the KDE webbrowser now supports in its CVS
version spell checking within the "edit box" making it very easy to spot
typos.

best regards,
  Marco

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from_name: Abe Sokolov

subject: [WikiEN-l] You won't have 172 to kick around anymore

body:
 Mav: Your behavior was inappropriate, not mine. You're interjecting yourself into this debate led by JTD, Tannin, and me on one side and Fred Bauder on another. You have faint understanding of what's going on and why the there of use are opposing Fred's attempt to POV the articles on China and Communist state with his shoddy material by the natures of the misrepresentations (euphemisms for far worse adjectives that I could direct against your statements at the moment) that you are spewing on the mailing list.  If you are claiming that my opposition to Fred's material stems from my own POV, you are grossly mistaken. I don't give a damn whether Communism is presented favorably or not in this article or any article and do not have strong partisan feelings about the subject. Even if he were attempting to post my own material to that site borrowed from another article I'd join the opposition against those attempts. Actually, I have done far more work than Fred Bauder on Wikipedia that could be perceived as anti-Communist by non-academic readers of history.  If you think that I have a pro-Communist POV that I try to insert in articles, do you think that JTD, Tannin, Tarquin, and Jimmy Wales are also rabid Communists trying to portray Communist history from a sympathetic point of view? The have also agreed that Fred's additions were not NPOV and don't belong in the article on Communist state. Why are you selectively directing those charges against me? I don't want to become a sysop because I have any personal or political agendas either. Once again, those charges are slanderous. I am not going to make a single edit to Wikipedia until Mav apologizes. I don't deserve this kind of treatment for volunteering my time to make sure that a couple of articles are professionally written, accurate, balanced, and follow proper academic standards. User 172

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from_name: Ray Saintonge

subject: [WikiEN-l] Request for developer access

body:
Brion Vibber wrote:

>I'd also like to remind people of proposals mentioned at:
>http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_details_special_page
>whereby the sysop process could be better automated by a nomination /
>confirmation system. Something like:
>
>* anybody (or perhaps any sysop) could nominate a user for sysophood
>* the nomination would be displayed in a prominent log page of some sort
>* after a delay of a couple or a few days, that user automatically
>becomes a sysop
>* IF AND ONLY IF at least one other sysop seconds the nomination
>* UNLESS any sysop (or perhaps any user) rejects the nomination during
>the waiting period
>
I still don't agree with people becoming sysops without their having
given their own positive consent.

Ec

>


from_name: Daniel Mayer

subject: [WikiEN-l] 172's sysop request (was "Communist state and rudeness")

body:
Unbelievable - you are the one that violates [[Wikipetiquette]] and then you
demand an apology from me? Have you apologized to tc and Fred for calling
them vandals and saying that they should be banned? How about to Stan for
saying he is on a "ridiculous crusade"?

Or what you said to JT about other users: "... but if just about anybody else
[besides JT] has worked on it...might as well delete that crap and start
over." That, IMO, does not imply a team spirit.

Or what you said /to/ SL: "I've explained this concept to children who've had
no problems understanding it. Do you have any basic understanding of the
forms of government in Laos, China, Cuba, North Korea, and Vietnam?"

How about this recent comment:
"Do you know the damn difference between opinion and proper content for an
encyclopedia? "

I'm known for giving offense at times but I'm also known for realizing when I
was wrong and quickly apologizing (at one time I was often rude - but over
time I've tried to improve and embrace Jimbo's concept of WikiLove -
especially since Jimbo banned DW for being abusive and stated that
Wikipetiquette will be an enforced policy). In this case I believe my
criticism is valid and was delivered in as nice a way as possible considering
the circumstances. But in the spirit of WikiLove I apologize for not
qualifying this sentence:

""A person who acts so badly and without backing off, apologizing or accepting
their own POV, is, IMO, very likely to abuse any power they may have over
others."

I should have instead wrote: "A person, who in my experience, has consistently
acted badly, seldom backs-off or apologizes to others after violating
Wikipetiquette and seems to be unable to comprehend that adding a great deal
of information (however accurate) from a certain viewpoint and failing to add
major alternate viewpoints, is placing POV into an article (like going on and
on about all the good things Saddam Hussein did for Iraq while failing to
mention the major downsides of his regime and his harsh treatment of his own
people). That type of person is, IMO, likely to leverage any power he may
have over others (or at the very least, likely to give Adminhood a bad name
and add fuel to the charges of arbitrary use of Admin powers).

This is not to say that 172's should be banned (perhaps warned for his
Wikipetiquette violations) but it does indictate, to me at least, that he
would not make a good Admin."

The statements expressed here are just my opinions based on my perception of
172's actions and should not be taken as a personal attack.

-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)


from_name: michael alexander

body:
Mav:

Your behavior is inappropriate, not mine. You're interjecting yourself into this debate led by JTD, Tannin, and me on one side and Fred Bauder on another. You have faint understanding of what's going on and why the three of us are opposing Fred's attempt to POV the articles on China and Communist state with his shoddy material by the natures of the misrepresentations (euphemisms for far worse adjectives I could direct against your statements at the moment) that you are spewing on the mailing list.

If you are claiming that my opposition to Fred's material is due to my own POV, you are grossly mistaken. I don't give a damn whether Communism is presented favorably or not on this article or any article and do not have strong partisans feelings about the subject. I have done far more work than Fred Bauder on Wikipedia that could be perceived as anti-Communist by non-academic or non-analytic readers of history. Even if he were attempting to post my own material to that site borrowed from another article I'd join the opposition against those attempts.

If you think that I have a pro-Communist POV, do you think that JRT, Tannin, Tarquin, and Jimbo Wales are also rabid Communists trying to portray Communist history from a sympathetic point of view? They have also agreed that Fred's additions were not NPOV and don't belong in the article on Communist state. Why are you selectively directing these charges against me?

I don't want to become a sysop because I have any personal and political agendas either. Once again, those charges are slanderous.

I am not going to make a singe edit to Wikipedia until Mav apologizes. I don't deserve this kind of treatment for volunteering my time to make sure that a couple of articles are professionally written, accurate, balanced, and follow proper academic standards.

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subject: [WikiEN-l] Zxcvb is Lir

body:
[[User:Zxcvb]] is Lir.  This is evident from Zxcvb's
postings on [[User:The Cunctator/Advice for Lir]] in
which he answered Cunctator's "advice" as Lir.

Zoe

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subject: [WikiEN-l] You won't have 172 to kick around anymore.

body:
Mav:

Your behavior was inappropriate, not mine. You're interjecting yourself into this debate led by JTD, Tannin, and me on one side and Fred Bauder on another. You have faint understanding of what's going on and why the there of use are opposing Fred's attempt to POV the articles on China and Communist state with his shoddy material by the natures of the misrepresentations (euphemisms for far worse adjectives that I could direct against your statements at the moment) that you are spewing on the mailing list.

If you are claiming that my opposition to Fred's material stems from my own POV, you are grossly mistaken. I don't give a damn whether Communism is presented favorably or not in this article or any article and do not have strong partisan feelings about the subject. Even if he were attempting to post my own material to that site borrowed from another article I'd join the opposition against those attempts. Actually, I have done far more work than Fred Bauder on Wikipedia that could be perceived as anti-Communist by non-academic readers of history.

If you think that I have a pro-Communist POV that I try to insert in articles, do you think that JTD, Tannin, Tarquin, and Jimmy Wales are also rabid Communists trying to portray Communist history from a sympathetic point of view? The have also agreed that Fred's additions were not NPOV and don't belong in the article on Communist state. Why are you selectively directing those charges against me?

I don't want to become a sysop because I have any personal or political agendas either. Once again, those charges are slanderous.

I am not going to make a single edit to Wikipedia until Mav apologizes. I don't deserve this kind of treatment for volunteering my time to make sure that a couple of articles are professionally written, accurate, balanced, and follow proper academic standards.

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from_name: Erik Moeller

subject: [WikiEN-l] Brilliant pictures

body:
I have created a stub for "brilliant pictures". I thought that some of our
excellent photos should be showcased just like some of our articles are.
If you have any favorites, please add them to

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%3ABrilliant_pictures

Regards,

Erik


from_name: Brion Vibber

subject: [WikiEN-l] Request for developer access

references:
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	 <1052611293.13602.12.camel@frank.vibber.org>  <3EBDBF16.5090109@telus.net>

body:
On Sat, 2003-05-10 at 20:10, Ray Saintonge wrote:
> I still don't agree with people becoming sysops without their having
> given their own positive consent.

Fair enough. Add:
* IF AND ONLY IF that user seconds their own nomination

and give me your opinion.

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from_name: Anthere

body:
--- Zoe <zoecomnena at yahoo.com> wrote:
> He's also apparently 12.64.66.146 and 12.64.66.123,
> the Breanna, North Carolina vandal, who wrote on
> votes
> for deletioin: "fuckin DELETE ME AND PAY THE
> CONSEQUESTIONS."

Did he mentionned the amount of money it would cost ?

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subject: [WikiEN-l] JohnQ / MaryMary - the clitoris guy

body:
--- tarquin <tarquin at planetunreal.com> wrote:
> if he posts tomorrow -- could a dev grab his IP and
> trace it?
> He's mentioned somewhere that he works for one of
> the big four.
>
> might be interesting to inform his employer what he
> gets up to during
> work hours.

What does that mean "one of the big four" ?

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body:
--- tarquin <tarquin at planetunreal.com> wrote:
>
>
> Anthere wrote:
>
> >--- tarquin <tarquin at planetunreal.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>He's mentioned somewhere that he works for one of
> >>the big four.
> >>
> >>
> >What does that mean "one of the big four" ?
> >
> >
> I suspect he means one of these:
> http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_4_accountancy_firm
>
> see also this edit of his:
>
http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Financial_audit&oldid=907010
>
> I saw him write in one of the summaries "I work for
> one of the big fat
> fourr", but I can't find it.

ah, an accountant...right

btw, I read he was managing english, french, spanish
and german... any other languages ?

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from_name: Sean Barrett

body:
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Anthere wrote:
| --- tarquin <tarquin at planetunreal.com> wrote:
|
|>if he posts tomorrow -- could a dev grab his IP and
|>trace it?
|>He's mentioned somewhere that he works for one of
|>the big four.
|>
|>might be interesting to inform his employer what he
|>gets up to during work hours.
|
|
| What does that mean "one of the big four" ?

Burger King, Wendys, In'n'Out, and McDonalds.

- --
~ Sean Barrett     | One part polonium, one part beryllium.
~ sean at epoptic.com |
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subject: [Wikitech-l] error on searching

body:
--- Kurt Jansson <jansson at gmx.net> wrote:
> I'm getting this error message in the German
> Wikipedia:

errr....seconded on the french

Erreur de syntaxe dans la base de donn?es. Cette
erreur peut ?tre caus?e par une requ?te de recherche
incorrecte (voir Chercher dans Wikip?dia), ou une
erreur dans le logiciel. La derni?re requ?te trait?e
par la base de donn?es ?tait :

SELECT cur_id,cur_namespace,cur_title,cur_text FROM
cur,searchindex WHERE cur_id=si_page AND ( (MATCH
(si_title) AGAINST ('r?sonance')) AND (MATCH
(si_title) AGAINST ('magn?tique')) AND (MATCH
(si_title) AGAINST ('nucl?aire')) ) AND cur_namespace
IN (0) LIMIT 0, 20
depuis la fonction "SearchEngine::showResults".
MySQL a renvoy? l'erreur "1016: Can't open file:
'searchindex.MYI'. (errno: 145)".

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from_name: Jason Richey

subject: [Wikitech-l] serial

body:
Okay.  I recompiled the kernel on Pliny.  I included support for a
serial console (null modem connected to ttyS0 on Larousse).  I can get
a login prompt using the serial console, but authentication is failing
for some reason.  I am using agetty, which I don't know anything about
configuring.  Anybody now of a better getty, or how to properly
configure agetty?  I haven't used it while booting up yet (so I don't
know if it is working in that regard).  I looked throught the bios
config, and didn't find any remote access or console redirection
config options, so the most we can hope for is console redirection
from the time the kernel loads.

the old kernel is still available (label=linux) in /etc/lilo.conf, in
case we have any trouble with this one.

--
"Jason C. Richey" <jasonr at bomis.com>


from_name: tarquin

body:
if he posts tomorrow -- could a dev grab his IP and trace it?
He's mentioned somewhere that he works for one of the big four.

might be interesting to inform his employer what he gets up to during
work hours.


subject: [Wikitech-l] error on searching

body:
On Sun, 2003-05-11 at 09:23, Kurt Jansson wrote:
> I'm getting this error message in the German Wikipedia:
>...
> aus der Funktion "SearchEngine::showResults". MySQL meldete den Fehler
> "1016: Can't open file: 'searchindex.MYI'. (errno: 145)".

Hmm, I'll run a REPAIR TABLES again...

Jason, I'm wondering if MySQL is getting shut down properly on reboot;
it's conceivable that that could corrupt the index files.

Next time you reboot it (when not crashed ;) try running a
"mysqladmin -u root -p shutdown" before shutting the machine down. If
that doesn't help, it's probably some weirdness with the MySQL 4
upgrade.

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
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body:
Anthere wrote:

>--- tarquin <tarquin at planetunreal.com> wrote:
>
>
>>He's mentioned somewhere that he works for one of
>>the big four.
>>
>>
>What does that mean "one of the big four" ?
>
>
I suspect he means one of these:
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_4_accountancy_firm

see also this edit of his:
http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Financial_audit&oldid=907010

I saw him write in one of the summaries "I work for one of the big fat
fourr", but I can't find it.


from_name: sannse

body:
Tarquin wrote:

> I saw him write in one of the summaries "I work for one of the big fat
> fourr", but I can't find it.

http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Marymary&diff=907056&o
ldid=907027

(sorry if the link needs pasting back together again, I don't know how to
stop that)

sannse


body:
Note to Abe Sokolov (aka 172)

I'm sorry you think that me expressing my opinion automatically makes you a
pariah (I'm not the Pope nor any special authority). You, on average, have
been a good to great contributor but I have seen too many instances where you
have, IMO, caused more harm than good and have steadfastly refused to budge
or admit you were wrong (let alone apologize). IMO, this is not the type of
person that would make a good Admin. You also often seem to be rather
selective in what you write about when inputting large amounts of text into
an article (creating a one-sided article). And I also found it odd that you
wanted to be an Admin so badly even though, in my experience, you haven't
done much Wikipedia Weeding or had a desire to edit protected pages.

In retrospect, I should have not have went on to state my opinion that such a
person would be likely to leverage their sysop powers over others (impling
that you would use sysop powers to make sure your POV dominates articles).
You do seem to be tolerant of other people adding-in balancing POV into
articles you've worked on (even when, such as in the Saddam article, you were
the one who unbalanced the article to begin with by adding masses of text
about all the good he did for Iraq while not stating the more negative
aspects of his regime). So, simply stating my observations and avoiding the
particular conclusion should have been enough to block your Admin
application. I'm sorry that I elaborated to such an extent.

I do hope that you will return after a much-needed break (maybe even with a
real user name next time - it is hard to be sympathetic to a number).

-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)


from_name: Daniel Ehrenberg

subject: [WikiEN-l] Zxcvb is Lir

body:
--- Zoe <zoecomnena at yahoo.com> wrote:
> [[User:Zxcvb]] is Lir.  This is evident from Zxcvb's
> postings on [[User:The Cunctator/Advice for Lir]] in
> which he answered Cunctator's "advice" as Lir.
>
> Zoe

I'm so gullible. I actually trusted Lir's incarnation
as [[User:Like a Virgin]] when she said she was
quitting Wikipedia for good after critisizing our
hypocracy (saying anyone can edit and then banning
her). She does have a point. Give Zxcvb a chance. I
remain that Lir wants to change but we aren't giving
her a chance to.

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subject: [WikiEN-l] Zxcvb is Lir

body:
Dan,

Even before he created the current userid, he was
causing trouble at [[Lynne Thigpen and [[Talk:Lynne
Thigpen]], trying to force us to accept a cause of
death which has yet to be proven.  Everyone except
Adam/Lir/Vera wanted to wait until the autopsy
results, but he demanded that we put that she had died
of a heart attack.  Reversions did no good.

Zoe

--- Daniel Ehrenberg <littledanehren at yahoo.com> wrote:
> --- Zoe <zoecomnena at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > [[User:Zxcvb]] is Lir.  This is evident from
> Zxcvb's
> > postings on [[User:The Cunctator/Advice for Lir]]
> in
> > which he answered Cunctator's "advice" as Lir.
> >
> > Zoe
>
> I'm so gullible. I actually trusted Lir's
> incarnation
> as [[User:Like a Virgin]] when she said she was
> quitting Wikipedia for good after critisizing our
> hypocracy (saying anyone can edit and then banning
> her). She does have a point. Give Zxcvb a chance. I
> remain that Lir wants to change but we aren't giving
> her a chance to.
>
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subject: [WikiEN-l] Zxcvb is Lir

body:
There's no need to offer an opinion.  He has said so
much, on my repeatedly-vandalized User Page, on my
talk page, on his Zxcvb user page, and on Oliver
Pereira's talk page.

Zoe

--- Fred Bauder <fredbaud at ctelco.net> wrote:
> Lir is banned here. He has alternative possibilities
> open to him elsewhere.
> If he does well I will be the first to come here and
> champion his cause. But
> he and all incarnations are banned here. If he is
> coming back as another
> character (and I offer no opinion) he is not
> respecting a long standing
> decision.
>
> Fred
>
> > From: Daniel Ehrenberg <littledanehren at yahoo.com>
> > Reply-To: wikien-l at wikipedia.org
> > Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 14:25:52 -0700 (PDT)
> > To: wikien-l at wikipedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Zxcvb is Lir
> >
> > --- Zoe <zoecomnena at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> [[User:Zxcvb]] is Lir.  This is evident from
> Zxcvb's
> >> postings on [[User:The Cunctator/Advice for Lir]]
> in
> >> which he answered Cunctator's "advice" as Lir.
> >>
> >> Zoe
> >
> > I'm so gullible. I actually trusted Lir's
> incarnation
> > as [[User:Like a Virgin]] when she said she was
> > quitting Wikipedia for good after critisizing our
> > hypocracy (saying anyone can edit and then banning
> > her). She does have a point. Give Zxcvb a chance.
> I
> > remain that Lir wants to change but we aren't
> giving
> > her a chance to.
> >
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from_name: Christopher Mahan

body:
> Anthere wrote:
> | --- tarquin <tarquin at planetunreal.com> wrote:
> |
> |>if he posts tomorrow -- could a dev grab his IP and
> |>trace it?
> |>He's mentioned somewhere that he works for one of
> |>the big four.
> |>
> |>might be interesting to inform his employer what he
> |>gets up to during work hours.
> |
> |
> | What does that mean "one of the big four" ?

One of the big four accounting firms.
There were the big 5 before, but the Fall of Arthur Anderson took
them down to 4.
They are, in order of appearance:

KPMG

Deloitte and Touche/Komatsu

Ernst & Young

and a fourth... (dang. why can't I remember?)

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from_name: Fred Bauder

subject: [WikiEN-l] Zxcvb is Lir

body:
Lir is banned here. He has alternative possibilities open to him elsewhere.
If he does well I will be the first to come here and champion his cause. But
he and all incarnations are banned here. If he is coming back as another
character (and I offer no opinion) he is not respecting a long standing
decision.

Fred

> From: Daniel Ehrenberg <littledanehren at yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: wikien-l at wikipedia.org
> Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 14:25:52 -0700 (PDT)
> To: wikien-l at wikipedia.org
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Zxcvb is Lir
>
> --- Zoe <zoecomnena at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> [[User:Zxcvb]] is Lir.  This is evident from Zxcvb's
>> postings on [[User:The Cunctator/Advice for Lir]] in
>> which he answered Cunctator's "advice" as Lir.
>>
>> Zoe
>
> I'm so gullible. I actually trusted Lir's incarnation
> as [[User:Like a Virgin]] when she said she was
> quitting Wikipedia for good after critisizing our
> hypocracy (saying anyone can edit and then banning
> her). She does have a point. Give Zxcvb a chance. I
> remain that Lir wants to change but we aren't giving
> her a chance to.
>
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from_name: John R. Owens

body:
On Sun, 11 May 2003, tarquin wrote:

> Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 10:23:45 +0100
> From: tarquin <tarquin at planetunreal.com>
> Subject: [WikiEN-l] JohnQ / MaryMary - the clitoris guy
>
> if he posts tomorrow -- could a dev grab his IP and trace it?
> He's mentioned somewhere that he works for one of the big four.
>
> might be interesting to inform his employer what he gets up to during
> work hours.

Not that I have any fondness for "the photo troll", but that wouldn't
really be much of "during work hours", especially if he's on the East
Coast (I'm assuming he's American here, if anyone else wants to claim him
feel free!); his first edit this weekend was the RIAA at 20:40 UTC Friday,
16:40 EDT, and the Clitoris.jpg stuff didn't get started until 21:17 UTC,
17:17 EDT. And even someone as troll-hating as myself doesn't want to go
making reports to one's employer.

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from_name: Tomos at Wikipedia

subject: [Wikipedia-l] upgrading mailman? (the japanese language problem)

body:
I've learned that the problem with corruption of archived Japanese messages
from the list
could be solved by using a later version of mailman (2.1.1 or later). It
seems that we are
using the 2.0.13 (guessing from the logo).

I have already emailed Jason Richie, who is the admin of the mailman (in my
not-so-good understanding..) and asked if it is possible/easy. But perhaps I
should ask on this list as well.

Or should I bring it up on the tech list?

regards,

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from_name: Kurt Jansson

subject: [Wikitech-l] error on searching

body:
I'm getting this error message in the German Wikipedia:

Es gab einen Syntaxfehler in der Datenbankabfrage. Das k?nnte eine
illegale Suchanfrage sein (siehe Wikipedia durchsuchen), oder ein
Softwarefehler. Die letzte Datenbankabfrage lautete:

     SELECT cur_id,cur_namespace,cur_title,cur_text FROM cur,searchindex
WHERE cur_id=si_page AND ( (MATCH (si_title) AGAINST ('test')) ) AND
cur_namespace IN (0) LIMIT 0, 50

aus der Funktion "SearchEngine::showResults". MySQL meldete den Fehler
"1016: Can't open file: 'searchindex.MYI'. (errno: 145)".


from_name: Hr. Daniel Mikkelsen

subject: [Wikitech-l] serial

body:
On Sun, 11 May 2003, Jason Richey wrote:

> Okay.  I recompiled the kernel on Pliny.  I included support for a
> serial console (null modem connected to ttyS0 on Larousse).  I can get
> a login prompt using the serial console, but authentication is failing
> for some reason.  I am using agetty, which I don't know anything about

This probably has to do with agetty not being listed in the PAM configuration,
so it can't access password hashes.

I haven't fiddled with PAM on GNU/Linux, but look in /etc/pam.d or something.

-- Daniel


subject: [WikiEN-l] Zxcvb is Lir

body:
--- Zoe <zoecomnena at yahoo.com> wrote:
> There's no need to offer an opinion.  He has said so
> much, on my repeatedly-vandalized User Page, on my
> talk page, on his Zxcvb user page, and on Oliver
> Pereira's talk page.
>
> Zoe

I'm playing Devil's Advocate, but it's kind of
understandable that he would want to get back at
certain people for what he thinks was an unjust banning.

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subject: [WikiEN-l] Zxcvb is Lir

body:
Adam probably thinks that an encyclopedia should have
facts laid out as such, not just vague guesses. It's
understandable (although I don't agree with it) to
present speculation as fact to mask uncertainty.
Certainly other websites do it.

LittleDan

--- Zoe <zoecomnena at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dan,
>
> Even before he created the current userid, he was
> causing trouble at [[Lynne Thigpen]] and
[[Talk:Lynne
> Thigpen]], trying to force us to accept a cause of
> death which has yet to be proven.  Everyone except
> Adam/Lir/Vera wanted to wait until the autopsy
> results, but he demanded that we put that she had
> died
> of a heart attack.  Reversions did no good.
>
> Zoe

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from_name: Axel Boldt

subject: [Wikitech-l] TeX not working

body:
Creating new TeX formulas currently doesn't work. See
  http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sandbox
for an example. When testing, you have to make sure that you use a new
formula that doesn't yet exist on Wikipedia, because the existent ones
work.

Axel

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subject: [WikiEN-l] Introducing WikiMoney

body:
That's a great idea, but I think anyone should get
their $100 for being a wikipedia contributer, not just
the long-term ones. How could it be misused?

--- Axel Boldt <axelboldt at yahoo.com> wrote:
> WikiMoney is a quantification of WikiLove. Every
> long-term contributor
> gets an initial amount of 100 WikiDollars (also
> known as WikiEuros),
> for him or her to spend on any Wikipedia improvement
> project of their
> choosing. See
>
>    http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiMoney
>
> for the details.
>
> Axel

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from_name: alvaro

subject: [Wikitech-l] error on searching

body:
  Erreur base de donn?es

Pour la requ?te "picom?tre"

Erreur de syntaxe dans la base de donn?es. Cette erreur peut ?tre caus?e
par une requ?te de recherche incorrecte (voir Chercher dans Wikip?dia
<http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%E9dia:Recherche>), ou une erreur
dans le logiciel. La derni?re requ?te trait?e par la base de donn?es
?tait :

    SELECT cur_id,cur_namespace,cur_title,cur_text FROM cur,searchindex
    WHERE cur_id=si_page AND ( (MATCH (si_title) AGAINST ('picom?tre'))
    ) AND cur_namespace IN (0) LIMIT 0, 20

depuis la fonction "SearchEngine::showResults". MySQL a renvoy? l'erreur
"1016: Can't open file: 'searchindex.MYI'. (errno: 145)".


subject: [WikiEN-l] Introducing WikiMoney

body:
--- Daniel Ehrenberg <littledanehren at yahoo.com> wrote:
> That's a great idea, but I think anyone should get
> their $100 for being a wikipedia contributer, not just
> the long-term ones. How could it be misused?

If everybody could get WikiDollars (now also known as WikiSmilies) just
for the asking, then the currency would be worthless and it would end
in rampant inflation. Right now, a WikiSmilie has a quite definite
value: it is worth about 2 edits.

Axel

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subject: [Wikitech-l] TeX not working

body:
On Sun, 2003-05-11 at 18:39, Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:
> On Sun, May 11, 2003 at 06:29:41PM -0700, Axel Boldt wrote:
> > Creating new TeX formulas currently doesn't work. See
> >   http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sandbox
> > for an example. When testing, you have to make sure that you use a new
> > formula that doesn't yet exist on Wikipedia, because the existent ones
> > work.
>
> Well, we were messing with it a few hours ago with Brion,
> seems like we must have broken something.
>
> Brion: what exactly have you done ?

Exactly what you told me to: uncommented the lines in render.ml which
delete the no-longer-needed temp files, recompiled texvc, and installed
the new binary. After that, you tested it and assured me it worked. :)

Now checking... in the error_log, I see:

  This is dvips(k) 5.86 Copyright 1999 Radical Eye Software (www.radicaleye.com)
  ' TeX output 2003.05.12:0359' ->
  <texc.pro>. [1]
  dvips: Problems with file writing; probably disk full.

But, the disk is *not* full. Permissions on the tmp and math dirs look
okay. I get .tex, .aux, .dvi, and .log files in the temp dir... Putting
render.ml back as it was, no change.

Advice? (I'm sitting in #wikipedia...)

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subject: [Wikitech-l] TeX not working

body:
TeX is also broken on meta, which I did *not* touch.

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from_name: Tony Wilson

body:
He seems to be posting from a number of IP addresses. 81.48.186.171 and
80.11.238.139 are two of them. That is not encouraging.

Tony Wilson
(Tannin)


subject: [WikiEN-l] Zxcvb is Lir

body:
On Sun, 2003-05-11 at 18:15, Daniel Ehrenberg wrote:
> Adam probably thinks that an encyclopedia should have
> facts laid out as such, not just vague guesses. It's
> understandable (although I don't agree with it) to
> present speculation as fact to mask uncertainty.
> Certainly other websites do it.

That is the exact opposite of acceptable. An encyclopedia must not
present speculation as fact, as that would be a falsehood.

It may present the fact that there _is_ speculation. That's not the same
thing.

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from_name: Adam

from_email: Adam

subject: [WikiEN-l] allegations against lir are grossly exaggerated

body:
The allegations against me have, over the months since my initial 1 week ban, continuned to progress from grossly exaggerated and unsubstantiated, to completely fallacious. I did NOT attempt to add speculative material to the article [[Lynne Thigpen]] - I merely readded (and slightly improved) an addition made by another user as Zoe had removed their addition. The information which I added was that several news sources have indicated that a heart attack was the likely cause of Thigpen's death. The information which Zoe deleted (and which led her to protect the article, against wiki policy, after an edit war developed) was that several news sources have reported that a heart attack was the likely cause of Thigpen's death. I have now been accused of adding that Thigpen's death WAS caused by a heart attack, and neglecting to mention that this information was speculation. Such charges are blatantly false and a clear indication that there, something, is amiss in the much spouted philosophy of "WikiLove". Even IF I had committed the error in question, the appropriate course of action for Zoe, as a so-called "professional editor" would be to edit my text and note that the information was not from an official medical autopsy.  Do I argue that all of my actions have been appropriate? Of course not, just as Jtdirl does to other users, I referred to mav as a "fucking asshole". I did that because he, like Zoe, feels that the best thing to do with a user's potentially imperfect edit is to delete said imperfect edit. In the situation above, mav was deleting my additions to [[Earth]] because I edited a table in a manner inconsistent with the wiki convention on planets, a convention that only elitists could expect a newbie to know about.  Don't even try to tell me the cabal feels differently, we all saw how Fred Bauder's additions to [[communist state]] were treated, they weren't edited, they were DELETED. In the words of many members of the cabal *DELETEDELETELDELETE* If you people are going to continunally discuss the "damage" I cause to your site, it would be appropriate if you would attempt to, at the very least, create a facade of justice. And just in case anybody cares, the [[History of the Soviet Union]] still says "Romanov tsarist regime" which, we all know, is a very POV statement.

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from_name: The Cunctator

subject: [WikiEN-l] Introducing WikiMoney

body:
On 5/11/03 10:16 PM, "Axel Boldt" <axelboldt at yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- Daniel Ehrenberg <littledanehren at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> That's a great idea, but I think anyone should get
>> their $100 for being a wikipedia contributer, not just
>> the long-term ones. How could it be misused?
>
> If everybody could get WikiDollars (now also known as WikiSmilies) just
> for the asking, then the currency would be worthless and it would end
> in rampant inflation. Right now, a WikiSmilie has a quite definite
> value: it is worth about 2 edits.
>
On the talk page I said this is a hilariously bad idea. At the same time, I
don't want Axel to think I'm being completely flippant in my criticism.
Quantification of goodwill is difficult and necessarily perverts the
goodwill itself. For one thing, goodwill/love/friendship is not a finite
resource. Then there is the simple fact that if this idea enjoys any
popularity it will rapidly become completely unworkable. There's a good
reason bankers and accountants exist. And if it doesn't enjoy any
popularity, it's worthless.

Better is to adjudge what goals creating such a page was intended to
accomplish and then try to figure out a better-planned structure for meeting
such goals.


from_name: Brion Vibber

subject: [Wikitech-l] Switching over to Larousse

body:
I'd really like to get us switched over to using Larousse as the web
server soon and take some of the strain off poor Pliny.

Jason, can we get a commitment to change the DNS entry for
www.wikipedia.org over at some particular time in the next couple of
days?

I've copied in the uploaded files from the English wiki, we can rsync
the latest changes up when it's time to put it online (at which point
pliny's copy of the wiki can be put into read-only mode to avoid
confusion).

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from_name: WeißNix

subject: [Wikitech-l] Possible error in Database [wiikide]

body:
Another case:

?bereinstimmungen mit ?berschriften:

   1. Drehleier <http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drehleier> (422 Byte)
      1: Die Drehleier ist ein Streichinstrument, bei dem die [[Saitenin...
   2. Drehleier <http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drehleier> (1071 Byte)
      2: ...[Bordun]]saiten auf konstanter Tonh?he mit. Die
      ''Drehleier'' geh?rt daher wie der [[Dudelsack]] zu den [[Bor...

Wei?Nix

Thomas Corell schrieb:

> Hello,
>
> if someone can take a look at the german database, a user reported
> (and I took a look) that a search for "Maori" returns two (2) pages
> with the title "Maori-Sprache", one with 411 and one with 440 Bytes.
> Looks to me a bit buggy. I think one of them is obsolete.
>
> Of course some SpecialPages (LonlyPages) report some stange results,
> which the user reported.
>
>
> Smurf


from_name: Thomas Corell

body:
As far as I can detect the creation/modification time of the article is
very near. I think the 'save' button is hitten twice or the browser sended
it two times. And the database don't realise the first save.

Don't know if that helps to get it fixed.

Wei?Nix wrote:
> Another case:

> ?bereinstimmungen mit ?berschriften:
>
>   1. Drehleier <http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drehleier> (422 Byte)
>      1: Die Drehleier ist ein Streichinstrument, bei dem die [[Saitenin...
>   2. Drehleier <http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drehleier> (1071 Byte)
>      2: ...[Bordun]]saiten auf konstanter Tonh?he mit. Die
>      ''Drehleier'' geh?rt daher wie der [[Dudelsack]] zu den [[Bor...
>> Hello,
>>
>> if someone can take a look at the german database, a user reported
>> (and I took a look) that a search for "Maori" returns two (2) pages
>> with the title "Maori-Sprache", one with 411 and one with 440 Bytes.
>> Looks to me a bit buggy. I think one of them is obsolete.
>>
>> Of course some SpecialPages (LonlyPages) report some stange results,
>> which the user reported.
>> Smurf

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subject: [WikiEN-l] Zxcvb is Lir

body:
On 5/12/03 1:13 AM, "Brion Vibber" <brion at pobox.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 2003-05-11 at 18:15, Daniel Ehrenberg wrote:
>> Adam probably thinks that an encyclopedia should have
>> facts laid out as such, not just vague guesses. It's
>> understandable (although I don't agree with it) to
>> present speculation as fact to mask uncertainty.
>> Certainly other websites do it.
>
> That is the exact opposite of acceptable. An encyclopedia must not
> present speculation as fact, as that would be a falsehood.
>
> It may present the fact that there _is_ speculation. That's not the same
> thing.
>
A philosophical digression:

All facts are based on speculation at some point. "My eyes are blue" would
generally go under the category of fact, not speculation, but that statement
is actually a speculation, to wit: "The vast majority of the time I have
observed the color of my eyes via reflective or photographic media, and the
vast majority of time that others expressed a judgment about the color of my
eyes, they have appeared to be blue; and as I assume that my  memories and
senses, the photographic and reflective media, and the judgments of others
are reliable, and as I know of no situations in which people's eyes
spontaneously change color, nor can I conceive of a mechanism by which my
eyes would do so, I speculate that at this moment (and for the foreseeable
future) my eyes are blue."

But it's easier to say "My eyes are blue", call it a fact, and move on.

It's debatable whether a verifiable speculation that turns out to be true is
in any way distinct from a fact. Is "The sun will rise tomorrow" a
falsehood? Is it not a fact? Does it become one retroactively when tomorrow
comes?


subject: [WikiEN-l] (no subject)

body:
The whole wikimoney thing.

If you really want to show a user your appreciation, drop a check in
an envelope for a few dollars and mail it to me. I'll have my wife to
the accounting (she has a business degree and already handles all the
family money) and she'll cut checks and make nice little monthly
reports.

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body:
> You know, I think there's a really good encyclopedia site on the
> net
> somewhere where you can look up this sort of thing .... now if only
> I
> could remember its name ....
> rotfl ;-)

you mean the same wikipedia that gave me the infamous "server not
found" error a little while ago?

anyway: the culprit was  PricewaterhouseCoopers, as seen in this fine
resource: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/PricewaterhouseCoopers

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subject: [Wikitech-l] Kernel memory setting is bad...

body:
I've been kicking myself trying to figure out why we're swapping a lot
more under the new kernel than we were before...

Well, it looks like the maximum memory limit is wrong! There's actually a
setting that one has to flip in the kernel config to use more than 1 gig
of RAM... so we're only using half the available memory. Oops! :)

I'll whip up a fresh kernel and reboot.

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)


subject: [Wikitech-l] Kernel config

body:
So far so good with the new kernel, we've got 2 gigs again. :) I've set
LILO so if we reboot it'll go back to the previous one for now.

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)


from_name: james duffy

subject: [WikiEN-l] The Lir Problem

body:
How many chances to you suggest, Daniel? Lir has had more comebacks than
Bill Clinton. At this stage Adam's creations are in danger of outnumbering
'real' users! Maybe we should create a spin-off, a Lir-pedia. That way, Lir
can create articles, get into edit wars with himself, ban himself then come
back as a new 'anonymous' user to harrass himself, then launch mass troll
attacks against himself. Maybe set up a lir-list where Vera, Like a Virgin,
Susan Mason, Dietary Fiber, Zxcvb et al can discuss whether to ban each
other. Then perhaps invite DW along, and he could bring along Black Widow
and her friends, and they could all have a humdinger of a conflict.

Could be fun. :-)  And it 'would' keep them off wikipedia for an hour or
two.

JT

>Give Zxcvb a chance. I
>remain that Lir wants to change but we aren't giving
>her a chance to.
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from_name: Tomasz Wegrzanowski

subject: [Wikitech-l] TeX not working

body:
On Sun, May 11, 2003 at 06:29:41PM -0700, Axel Boldt wrote:
> Creating new TeX formulas currently doesn't work. See
>   http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sandbox
> for an example. When testing, you have to make sure that you use a new
> formula that doesn't yet exist on Wikipedia, because the existent ones
> work.

Well, we were messing with it a few hours ago with Brion,
seems like we must have broken something.

Brion: what exactly have you done ?


subject: [Wikitech-l] some notes on html character entities

body:
Some notes.

1.


subject: [Wikitech-l] interlanguage links

body:
On Mon, 12 May 2003, Andre Engels wrote:
> Some time ago, there was some discussion about a new form to put the
> interlanguage links in. It all looked very nice, but was not ready yet.
> Then followed a long (months?) period of silence. Is anything happening
> on this front at the moment?

Not at the moment. The code's still there (see SpecialIntl.php etc), if
anyone wants to work on cleaning it up and making it production-ready that
would be great.

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)


from_name: Jimmy Wales

subject: [WikiEN-l] Request for developer access

body:
Brion Vibber wrote:
> Seconded. Erik has contributed useful code to the project and
> demonstrated responsibility.

Hell, yeah.  Approved!


subject: [Wikipedia-l] Abe Sokolov

body:
172 should be made a sysop ASAP.  I'd do it myself, but I'm rushing
around to get ready for vacation.

As with all sysops, he and I have chatted and he knows to use his
sysop powers in a "priestly" fashion, i.e. not in an edit war, etc.

--Jimbo


subject: [WikiEN-l] Communist state and rudeness.

body:
The Cunctator wrote:
> ALSO, SITE OWNER JIMBO WALES AGREES THAT FRED'S CONTENT DOESN'T BELONG
> IN THIS ARTICLE (SEE THE MAILING LIST), SO YOUR EFFORTS TO INSERT FRED'S
> (PERHAPS YOUR) POV COULD GET YOU BANNED. --172

It'd take a hell of a lot to get Cunc banned, certainly more than
this.  Comments about banning should be among the sad, tragic, final
things that we bring up in a dispute, rather than among the first.

What's needed here is an effort to merge, to take what's good, smooth
out what's bad, to soften, to mollify, to co-operate.

What's important is to figure out the *key*, what *key portion* of the
text is important to the other party, and how might it be phrased in a
mutually acceptable way.

--Jimbo


subject: [WikiEN-l] Ahem, well.

body:
I waited a considerable time, and then when I logged in this morning,
I had a nice letter from Abe about his sysop application, and I liked
it, and I posted a declaration about it.  Ah, good, wikilove, I
thought: a controversial person, but...

And only *after* that did I see the quotes from him, SHOUTING AT CUNC
and so on.  And two highly respected contributors adding their
opposition to his sysophood.

But, I already made a declaration, and it'd be the worse for all of us
if I acted in a wishy-washy fashion on such things.  However, I do
want to acknowledge the opposition and express my regrets at having
made a decision before hearing all sides.

So, he's a sysop now, and NEXT TIME, please let's not hold our
tongues.  If you're concerned (and you should be, of course!) that
your opposition might be viewed as inflammatory on the list, then
write to me privately.  And quickly. Of course I'll hold confidences
as requested.  And I can try to synthesize the objections into a
coherent and helpful decision for all parties.

In the meantime, I strongly recommend to Abe/172 to LAY OFF THE CAPS
LOCK and LAY OFF ANY TALK OF BANNING ANYONE.  :-)

And let's all try to relax and make the best of things.

And of course, as always, and as for all of us, the position of sysop
is to be regarded as purely technical, and there is a priestly
obligation NOT to use it as a power tool.

In this case, 172's application was already held up (filibustered in
the Senate of my subconscious, I guess) for an embarassingly long time
as compared to others, and I felt a need to act favorably upon receipt of
his nice letter.

--Jimbo


subject: [WikiEN-l] My vacation

body:
I'll be on vacation from tomorrow, May 13, through May 20.  I'll be
available by cell phone to Jason, who will be monitoring things and
assisting technically.

If anything came up that absolutely needed my attention, Jason could
call my cellphone.

Otherwise, it might be good if someone created a wiki page for the
batch of proposed sysops, and then when I get back, all the ones for
which there's a consensus will be approved in one fell swoop.  So
consider this a one-week talking time for it!

Also, while I'm gone, if anyone gets angry at anyone, I recommend
posting bland platitudes about togetherness, our inspiring mission fo
the ages, the importance of co-operation, etc.  It works for me.  :-)

--Jimbo


subject: [Wikipedia-l] My vacation


subject: [WikiEN-l] Kingturtle is now a sysop

in_reply_to: <8lhh4fYCpVB@erik_moeller>; from erik_moeller@gmx.de on Mon, May 12, 2003 at 05:55:00PM +0200

body:
Erik Moeller wrote:
> As per previous discussion, I have assigned sysop rights to
> User:Kingturtle, where there were no objections (thanks to Brion for
> giving me dev access). I will continue to handle sysop requests as they
> come in on wikien-l.

That's fine with me.

--Jimbo


subject: [Wikitech-l] Kernel config

body:
On Mon, 2003-05-12 at 03:10, Brion Vibber wrote:
> So far so good with the new kernel, we've got 2 gigs again. :) I've set
> LILO so if we reboot it'll go back to the previous one for now.

[brion at pliny brion]$ uptime
  3:33pm  up  5:34,  1 user,  load average: 10.16, 9.79, 10.23

[brion at pliny brion]$ vmstat 1 20
   procs                      memory    swap          io     system         cpu
 r  b  w   swpd   free   buff  cache  si  so    bi    bo   in    cs  us  sy  id
 1  2  0 235888  14584  32400 1102440   5   6   269   251  291   860  57   6  37
 0  1  1 235888  14136  32436 1102808   0   0   341  1777  947   763  39   6  54
 0  1  0 235888  13744  32452 1103128   0   0   296   468  667   756  65   4  31
 4  0  0 235888  13300  32468 1103356   0   0   177   216  679   506  34   5  60
 0  9  1 235888  13152  32500 1103712  12   0   352  1941  764   760  48  11  41
 4 21  4 235888  14588  32500 1103932   0   0   200   683  889   469  31   8  61
 7  2  4 235888  13892  32528 1104504   0   0   296   436  815   812  72  11  17
 9  0  0 235888  13552  32552 1104812   0   0   276  1624  945   844  53   7  40
 1  1  0 235888  13328  32556 1105032   0   0   200   220  668   788  79   4  17
 1  2  0 235888  12740  32580 1105708   4   0   660   456  701   532  20   4  75
 2  0  0 235888  12532  32600 1105816   0   0   108   327  604   604  48   5  47
 2  0  0 235888  11784  32604 1106192   4   0   356     0  796   886  49   4  48
 0  0  0 235888  11592  32604 1106384   0   0   180     0  717   449  17   5  78
 2  0  0 235888  11256  32608 1106916   0   0   516   100  677  1286  73   9  18
 3  0  0 235888  11032  32616 1107096   0   0   168   208  577   816  46   4  50
 1  0  0 235888  10680  32640 1107420   0   0   312   344  652  3895  17   4  79
 0  0  0 235888  10572  32648 1107784   8   0   476   124  576   455  20   5  74
 3  1  0 235888  10512  32648 1108172   0  52   556    52  609   925  54  15  31
 0  4  1 235888  10476  32652 1108272  32   0  2028   248  837   881  72   8  19
 1  0  0 235888  10488  32664 1108368   0   0  2244   580  847   631  12   5  83

[brion at pliny brion]$ free
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:       2068912    2058352      10560          0      32476    1099424
-/+ buffers/cache:     926452    1142460
Swap:      2047992     239256    1808736

Looking pretty good! We do have some swap used, but we're back to having
very little actual swapping, and over a gig of the used memory is disk
cache, which means it's working for us and it can be taken over by apps
if they need it. Purring along nicely, reaction time seems good.

So far I'm pleased. :)

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
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from_name: tarquin

body:
Christopher Mahan wrote:

>>| What does that mean "one of the big four" ?
>>
>>
>
>One of the big four accounting firms.
>
>They are, in order of appearance:
>
>...
>and a fourth... (dang. why can't I remember?)
>
>
>
You know, I think there's a really good encyclopedia site on the net
somewhere where you can look up this sort of thing .... now if only I
could remember its name ....
rotfl ;-)


subject: [Wikipedia-l] the bot needs some checking?

body:
It seems the use of the bot in connection with the outside BBS for Japanese
wikipedians is not opposed. Well, it is not much of a surprise since the bot
is not disigned to automate posting, but automate only the generation of
content which users can manually post/save in a specific page.

But as I remember, there was some talk in the past (related to Taku-bot)
that a use of bot would need approval from some admins. So if any admin
would like to check the code, please let me know through wikimail. (I'm
Tomos on English wiki as well.)

regards,

Tomos

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from_name: brion at pliny.wikipedia.org

subject: [Wikitech-l] Kernel config

body:
For reference, attached is the kernel configuration file for the kernel
I'm compiling right now.

It's a 2.4.20; unpatched so far as I know. (Unless Jason added anything to
it earlier.)

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
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#
# Automatically generated by make menuconfig: don't edit
#
CONFIG_X86=y
# CONFIG_SBUS is not set
CONFIG_UID16=y

#
# Code maturity level options
#
CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y

#
# Loadable module support
#
CONFIG_MODULES=y
CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y
CONFIG_KMOD=y

#
# Processor type and features
#
# CONFIG_M386 is not set
# CONFIG_M486 is not set
# CONFIG_M586 is not set
# CONFIG_M586TSC is not set
# CONFIG_M586MMX is not set
# CONFIG_M686 is not set
# CONFIG_MPENTIUMIII is not set
# CONFIG_MPENTIUM4 is not set
# CONFIG_MK6 is not set
CONFIG_MK7=y
# CONFIG_MELAN is not set
# CONFIG_MCRUSOE is not set
# CONFIG_MWINCHIPC6 is not set
# CONFIG_MWINCHIP2 is not set
# CONFIG_MWINCHIP3D is not set
# CONFIG_MCYRIXIII is not set
CONFIG_X86_WP_WORKS_OK=y
CONFIG_X86_INVLPG=y
CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG=y
CONFIG_X86_XADD=y
CONFIG_X86_BSWAP=y
CONFIG_X86_POPAD_OK=y
# CONFIG_RWSEM_GENERIC_SPINLOCK is not set
CONFIG_RWSEM_XCHGADD_ALGORITHM=y
CONFIG_X86_L1_CACHE_SHIFT=6
CONFIG_X86_HAS_TSC=y
CONFIG_X86_GOOD_APIC=y
CONFIG_X86_USE_3DNOW=y
CONFIG_X86_PGE=y
CONFIG_X86_USE_PPRO_CHECKSUM=y
CONFIG_X86_F00F_WORKS_OK=y
CONFIG_X86_MCE=y
# CONFIG_TOSHIBA is not set
# CONFIG_I8K is not set
# CONFIG_MICROCODE is not set
# CONFIG_X86_MSR is not set
# CONFIG_X86_CPUID is not set
# CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM is not set
CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y
# CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set
CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y
CONFIG_HIGHIO=y
# CONFIG_MATH_EMULATION is not set
CONFIG_MTRR=y
CONFIG_SMP=y
# CONFIG_MULTIQUAD is not set
# CONFIG_X86_TSC_DISABLE is not set
CONFIG_X86_TSC=y
CONFIG_HAVE_DEC_LOCK=y

#
# General setup
#
CONFIG_NET=y
CONFIG_X86_IO_APIC=y
CONFIG_X86_LOCAL_APIC=y
CONFIG_PCI=y
# CONFIG_PCI_GOBIOS is not set
# CONFIG_PCI_GODIRECT is not set
CONFIG_PCI_GOANY=y
CONFIG_PCI_BIOS=y
CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT=y
CONFIG_ISA=y
CONFIG_PCI_NAMES=y
# CONFIG_EISA is not set
# CONFIG_MCA is not set
CONFIG_HOTPLUG=y

#
# PCMCIA/CardBus support
#
CONFIG_PCMCIA=y
CONFIG_CARDBUS=y
# CONFIG_TCIC is not set
# CONFIG_I82092 is not set
# CONFIG_I82365 is not set

#
# PCI Hotplug Support
#
# CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI is not set
# CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_COMPAQ is not set
# CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_COMPAQ_NVRAM is not set
# CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_IBM is not set
# CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_ACPI is not set
CONFIG_SYSVIPC=y
# CONFIG_BSD_PROCESS_ACCT is not set
CONFIG_SYSCTL=y
CONFIG_KCORE_ELF=y
# CONFIG_KCORE_AOUT is not set
CONFIG_BINFMT_AOUT=y
CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y
CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC=y
CONFIG_PM=y
# CONFIG_ACPI is not set
# CONFIG_APM is not set

#
# Memory Technology Devices (MTD)
#
# CONFIG_MTD is not set

#
# Parallel port support
#
# CONFIG_PARPORT is not set

#
# Plug and Play configuration
#
# CONFIG_PNP is not set
# CONFIG_ISAPNP is not set

#
# Block devices
#
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_FD=y
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_XD is not set
# CONFIG_PARIDE is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_CPQ_DA is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_CPQ_CISS_DA is not set
# CONFIG_CISS_SCSI_TAPE is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DAC960 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UMEM is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_NBD is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_STATS is not set

#
# Multi-device support (RAID and LVM)
#
# CONFIG_MD is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_MD is not set
# CONFIG_MD_LINEAR is not set
# CONFIG_MD_RAID0 is not set
# CONFIG_MD_RAID1 is not set
# CONFIG_MD_RAID5 is not set
# CONFIG_MD_MULTIPATH is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LVM is not set

#
# Networking options
#
CONFIG_PACKET=y
# CONFIG_PACKET_MMAP is not set
# CONFIG_NETLINK_DEV is not set
CONFIG_NETFILTER=y
# CONFIG_NETFILTER_DEBUG is not set
# CONFIG_FILTER is not set
CONFIG_UNIX=y
CONFIG_INET=y
CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST=y
# CONFIG_IP_ADVANCED_ROUTER is not set
# CONFIG_IP_PNP is not set
# CONFIG_NET_IPIP is not set
# CONFIG_NET_IPGRE is not set
# CONFIG_IP_MROUTE is not set
# CONFIG_ARPD is not set
# CONFIG_INET_ECN is not set
# CONFIG_SYN_COOKIES is not set

#
#   IP: Netfilter Configuration
#
# CONFIG_IP_NF_CONNTRACK is not set
# CONFIG_IP_NF_QUEUE is not set
# CONFIG_IP_NF_IPTABLES is not set
# CONFIG_IP_NF_ARPTABLES is not set
# CONFIG_IP_NF_COMPAT_IPCHAINS is not set
# CONFIG_IP_NF_COMPAT_IPFWADM is not set
# CONFIG_IPV6 is not set
# CONFIG_KHTTPD is not set
# CONFIG_ATM is not set
# CONFIG_VLAN_8021Q is not set
# CONFIG_IPX is not set
# CONFIG_ATALK is not set

#
# Appletalk devices
#
# CONFIG_DEV_APPLETALK is not set
# CONFIG_DECNET is not set
# CONFIG_BRIDGE is not set
# CONFIG_X25 is not set
# CONFIG_LAPB is not set
# CONFIG_LLC is not set
# CONFIG_NET_DIVERT is not set
# CONFIG_ECONET is not set
# CONFIG_WAN_ROUTER is not set
# CONFIG_NET_FASTROUTE is not set
# CONFIG_NET_HW_FLOWCONTROL is not set

#
# QoS and/or fair queueing
#
# CONFIG_NET_SCHED is not set

#
# Network testing
#
# CONFIG_NET_PKTGEN is not set

#
# Telephony Support
#
# CONFIG_PHONE is not set
# CONFIG_PHONE_IXJ is not set
# CONFIG_PHONE_IXJ_PCMCIA is not set

#
# ATA/IDE/MFM/RLL support
#
CONFIG_IDE=y

#
# IDE, ATA and ATAPI Block devices
#
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE=y
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD_IDE is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD is not set
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK=y
CONFIG_IDEDISK_MULTI_MODE=y
# CONFIG_IDEDISK_STROKE is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK_VENDOR is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK_FUJITSU is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK_IBM is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK_MAXTOR is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK_QUANTUM is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK_SEAGATE is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK_WD is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_COMMERIAL is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_TIVO is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECS is not set
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD=y
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDETAPE is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEFLOPPY is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI is not set
# CONFIG_IDE_TASK_IOCTL is not set
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD640=y
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD640_ENHANCED is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ISAPNP is not set
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RZ1000=y
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEPCI=y
CONFIG_IDEPCI_SHARE_IRQ=y
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_PCI=y
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_OFFBOARD is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_FORCED is not set
CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_AUTO=y
# CONFIG_IDEDMA_ONLYDISK is not set
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA=y
# CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_WIP is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_TIMEOUT is not set
# CONFIG_IDEDMA_NEW_DRIVE_LISTINGS is not set
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ADMA=y
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_AEC62XX is not set
# CONFIG_AEC62XX_TUNING is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ALI15X3 is not set
# CONFIG_WDC_ALI15X3 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_AMD74XX is not set
# CONFIG_AMD74XX_OVERRIDE is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD64X is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD680 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CY82C693 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CS5530 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HPT34X is not set
# CONFIG_HPT34X_AUTODMA is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HPT366 is not set
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX=y
CONFIG_PIIX_TUNING=y
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_NS87415 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_OPTI621 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PDC202XX is not set
# CONFIG_PDC202XX_BURST is not set
# CONFIG_PDC202XX_FORCE is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SVWKS is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SIS5513 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SLC90E66 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_TRM290 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX is not set
# CONFIG_IDE_CHIPSETS is not set
CONFIG_IDEDMA_AUTO=y
# CONFIG_IDEDMA_IVB is not set
# CONFIG_DMA_NONPCI is not set
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_MODES=y
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ATARAID is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ATARAID_PDC is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ATARAID_HPT is not set

#
# SCSI support
#
CONFIG_SCSI=y
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=y
CONFIG_SD_EXTRA_DEVS=40
# CONFIG_CHR_DEV_ST is not set
# CONFIG_CHR_DEV_OSST is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR is not set
# CONFIG_CHR_DEV_SG is not set
CONFIG_SCSI_DEBUG_QUEUES=y
# CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN is not set
CONFIG_SCSI_CONSTANTS=y
CONFIG_SCSI_LOGGING=y

#
# SCSI low-level drivers
#
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_3W_XXXX_RAID is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_7000FASST is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_ACARD is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_AHA152X is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_AHA1542 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_AHA1740 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_AACRAID is not set
CONFIG_SCSI_AIC7XXX=y
CONFIG_AIC7XXX_CMDS_PER_DEVICE=253
CONFIG_AIC7XXX_RESET_DELAY_MS=15000
# CONFIG_AIC7XXX_PROBE_EISA_VL is not set
# CONFIG_AIC7XXX_BUILD_FIRMWARE is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_DPT_I2O is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_ADVANSYS is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_IN2000 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_AM53C974 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_MEGARAID is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_BUSLOGIC is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_CPQFCTS is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_DMX3191D is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_DTC3280 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_EATA is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_EATA_DMA is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_EATA_PIO is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_FUTURE_DOMAIN is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_GDTH is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_GENERIC_NCR5380 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_IPS is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_INITIO is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_INIA100 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C406A is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C7xx is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_SYM53C8XX_2 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C8XX is not set
CONFIG_SCSI_SYM53C8XX=y
CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C8XX_DEFAULT_TAGS=4
CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C8XX_MAX_TAGS=32
CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C8XX_SYNC=20
# CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C8XX_PROFILE is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C8XX_IOMAPPED is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C8XX_PQS_PDS is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C8XX_SYMBIOS_COMPAT is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_PAS16 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_PCI2000 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_PCI2220I is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_PSI240I is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_QLOGIC_FAS is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_QLOGIC_ISP is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_QLOGIC_FC is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_QLOGIC_1280 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_SEAGATE is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_SIM710 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_SYM53C416 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_DC390T is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_T128 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_U14_34F is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_ULTRASTOR is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_DEBUG is not set

#
# PCMCIA SCSI adapter support
#
# CONFIG_SCSI_PCMCIA is not set

#
# Fusion MPT device support
#
# CONFIG_FUSION is not set
# CONFIG_FUSION_BOOT is not set
# CONFIG_FUSION_ISENSE is not set
# CONFIG_FUSION_CTL is not set
# CONFIG_FUSION_LAN is not set

#
# IEEE 1394 (FireWire) support (EXPERIMENTAL)
#
# CONFIG_IEEE1394 is not set

#
# I2O device support
#
# CONFIG_I2O is not set
# CONFIG_I2O_PCI is not set
# CONFIG_I2O_BLOCK is not set
# CONFIG_I2O_LAN is not set
# CONFIG_I2O_SCSI is not set
# CONFIG_I2O_PROC is not set

#
# Network device support
#
CONFIG_NETDEVICES=y

#
# ARCnet devices
#
# CONFIG_ARCNET is not set
CONFIG_DUMMY=m
# CONFIG_BONDING is not set
# CONFIG_EQUALIZER is not set
# CONFIG_TUN is not set
# CONFIG_ETHERTAP is not set

#
# Ethernet (10 or 100Mbit)
#
CONFIG_NET_ETHERNET=y
# CONFIG_SUNLANCE is not set
# CONFIG_HAPPYMEAL is not set
# CONFIG_SUNBMAC is not set
# CONFIG_SUNQE is not set
# CONFIG_SUNGEM is not set
CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_3COM=y
# CONFIG_EL1 is not set
# CONFIG_EL2 is not set
# CONFIG_ELPLUS is not set
# CONFIG_EL16 is not set
# CONFIG_EL3 is not set
# CONFIG_3C515 is not set
# CONFIG_ELMC is not set
# CONFIG_ELMC_II is not set
CONFIG_VORTEX=y
# CONFIG_LANCE is not set
# CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_SMC is not set
# CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_RACAL is not set
# CONFIG_AT1700 is not set
# CONFIG_DEPCA is not set
# CONFIG_HP100 is not set
# CONFIG_NET_ISA is not set
CONFIG_NET_PCI=y
# CONFIG_PCNET32 is not set
# CONFIG_ADAPTEC_STARFIRE is not set
# CONFIG_AC3200 is not set
# CONFIG_APRICOT is not set
# CONFIG_CS89x0 is not set
# CONFIG_TULIP is not set
# CONFIG_DE4X5 is not set
# CONFIG_DGRS is not set
# CONFIG_DM9102 is not set
# CONFIG_EEPRO100 is not set
# CONFIG_E100 is not set
# CONFIG_LNE390 is not set
# CONFIG_FEALNX is not set
# CONFIG_NATSEMI is not set
# CONFIG_NE2K_PCI is not set
# CONFIG_NE3210 is not set
# CONFIG_ES3210 is not set
# CONFIG_8139CP is not set
# CONFIG_8139TOO is not set
# CONFIG_8139TOO_PIO is not set
# CONFIG_8139TOO_TUNE_TWISTER is not set
# CONFIG_8139TOO_8129 is not set
# CONFIG_8139_OLD_RX_RESET is not set
# CONFIG_SIS900 is not set
# CONFIG_EPIC100 is not set
# CONFIG_SUNDANCE is not set
# CONFIG_SUNDANCE_MMIO is not set
# CONFIG_TLAN is not set
# CONFIG_TC35815 is not set
# CONFIG_VIA_RHINE is not set
# CONFIG_VIA_RHINE_MMIO is not set
# CONFIG_WINBOND_840 is not set
# CONFIG_NET_POCKET is not set

#
# Ethernet (1000 Mbit)
#
# CONFIG_ACENIC is not set
# CONFIG_DL2K is not set
# CONFIG_E1000 is not set
# CONFIG_MYRI_SBUS is not set
# CONFIG_NS83820 is not set
# CONFIG_HAMACHI is not set
# CONFIG_YELLOWFIN is not set
# CONFIG_SK98LIN is not set
# CONFIG_TIGON3 is not set
# CONFIG_FDDI is not set
# CONFIG_HIPPI is not set
# CONFIG_PLIP is not set
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#
# Wireless LAN (non-hamradio)
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#
# Token Ring devices
#
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#
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#
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from_name: Andre Engels

subject: [Wikitech-l] Wiki syntax

body:
On Fri, 9 May 2003, Fred Bauder wrote:

>
> > To give an example of the 'little idiosyncracies' Jimmy is talking
> > about: In Wikipedia, one links to another title than the text of the
> > link with [[link|title]]. In Sensei's Library (the only other Wiki of
> > this kind that I frequent) it is [title|link]. Very similar, using the
> > same ideas, and yet totally non-compliant with each other.
>
> Well, I wonder then how one creates an external link on Sensei's Library.

In the same way - the software recognizes when the second half is a URL, just
like our software recognizes a URL when it's part of the text.

Andre Engels


subject: [WikiEN-l] Introducing WikiMoney

body:
--- The Cunctator <cunctator at kband.com> wrote:

[about WikiMoney]

> On the talk page I said this is a hilariously bad idea.

At least you got a laugh out of it.

> Better is to adjudge what goals creating such a page was intended to
> accomplish

If I see something wrong with Wikipedia, and I lack the time, patience
or knowledge to fix it, I want to be able to tell others about it,
quantify how important I feel the task to be, and maximize the
likelihood that the job gets done.

> and then try to figure out a better-planned structure for
> meeting such goals.

Be my guest.

Axel

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from_name: Daniel Ehrenberg

subject: [WikiEN-l] Zxcvb is Lir

body:
I know, I was just presenting my guess of what his misconseption was.

Brion Vibber <brion at pobox.com> wrote:On Sun, 2003-05-11 at 18:15, Daniel Ehrenberg wrote:
> Adam probably thinks that an encyclopedia should have
> facts laid out as such, not just vague guesses. It's
> understandable (although I don't agree with it) to
> present speculation as fact to mask uncertainty.
> Certainly other websites do it.

That is the exact opposite of acceptable. An encyclopedia must not
present speculation as fact, as that would be a falsehood.

It may present the fact that there _is_ speculation. That's not the same
thing.

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subject: [WikiEN-l] Introducing WikiMoney

body:
 I think most people wouldn't care enough to get a wikismile. Since it can't be used for anything outside of Wikipedia (well, *theoretically* it can) it is already worthless.

Axel Boldt <axelboldt at yahoo.com> wrote:
If everybody could get WikiDollars (now also known as WikiSmilies) just
for the asking, then the currency would be worthless and it would end
in rampant inflation. Right now, a WikiSmilie has a quite definite
value: it is worth about 2 edits.

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from_name: Jason Richey

subject: [Wikitech-l] Switching over to Larousse

in_reply_to: <1052720990.26479.5.camel@frank.vibber.org>; from brion@pobox.com on Sun, May 11, 2003 at 11:29:51PM -0700

body:
I'm confused...  I thought that we had decided to just swap IPs at the
correct time, so the transfer is immediate.  Did I miss something?

Jason

Brion Vibber wrote:

> I'd really like to get us switched over to using Larousse as the web
> server soon and take some of the strain off poor Pliny.
>
> Jason, can we get a commitment to change the DNS entry for
> www.wikipedia.org over at some particular time in the next couple of
> days?
>
> I've copied in the uploaded files from the English wiki, we can rsync
> the latest changes up when it's time to put it online (at which point
> pliny's copy of the wiki can be put into read-only mode to avoid
> confusion).
>
> -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

--
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from_name: Daniel Mayer

subject: [Wikitech-l] Admin nominations

body:
OK, the list of users below have been nominated for
Adminhood and seconded. Now all we need is their
consent to become sysops. To get this I'm going to
place a note on their talk pages explaining the
situation and asking them to add their consent. Should
this consent be in the form of a response on their
talk page or does it have to be placed by them onto
WikiEN-L (thus we getting them to sign-up to this
mailing list)?

User:CatherineMunro
User:Hephaestos
User:The Anome
User:Someone_else

Also, these users were nominated by me but nobody has
seconded the nominations yet. Could somebody who is
familiar with these users please do so (or object with
a very brief reason why - then I'll drop my nomination
for the user - there is no need to drag people through
the dirt when they haven't even asked to become
Admins)?

User:RTC
User:GrahamN

One more thing: James Lovejoy (aka Minesweeper) has
been nominated, seconded and has indicated consent on
the mailing list. Could you "make it so" Erik?

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subject: [Wikitech-l] serial

body:
Ahh...  A little more looking revealed that I just couldn't log in as
root because the serial port wasn't listed in /etc/securetty.

Jason

Hr. Daniel Mikkelsen wrote:

> On Sun, 11 May 2003, Jason Richey wrote:
>
> > Okay.  I recompiled the kernel on Pliny.  I included support for a
> > serial console (null modem connected to ttyS0 on Larousse).  I can get
> > a login prompt using the serial console, but authentication is failing
> > for some reason.  I am using agetty, which I don't know anything about
>
> This probably has to do with agetty not being listed in the PAM configuration,
> so it can't access password hashes.
>
> I haven't fiddled with PAM on GNU/Linux, but look in /etc/pam.d or something.
>
> -- Daniel
>
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body:
Doh!  That's my fault (I'm sure you've already cursed my name).
Sorry.

Jason

Brion Vibber wrote:

> I've been kicking myself trying to figure out why we're swapping a lot
> more under the new kernel than we were before...
>
> Well, it looks like the maximum memory limit is wrong! There's actually a
> setting that one has to flip in the kernel config to use more than 1 gig
> of RAM... so we're only using half the available memory. Oops! :)
>
> I'll whip up a fresh kernel and reboot.
>
> -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Wikitech-l at wikipedia.org
> http://www.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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subject: [WikiEN-l] Admin nominations

body:
Whoops! I sent this message the the tech list on
accident. Sorry.

OK, the list of users below have been nominated for
Adminhood and seconded. Now all we need is their
consent to become sysops. To get this I'm going to
place a note on their talk pages explaining the
situation and asking them to add their consent. Should
this consent be in the form of a response on their
talk page or does it have to be placed by them onto
WikiEN-L (thus we getting them to sign-up to this
mailing list)?

User:CatherineMunro
User:Hephaestos
User:The Anome
User:Someone_else

Also, these users were nominated by me but nobody has
seconded the nominations yet. Could somebody who is
familiar with these users please do so (or object with
a very brief reason why - then I'll drop my nomination
for the user - there is no need to drag people through
the dirt when they haven't even asked to become
Admins)?

User:RTC
User:GrahamN

One more thing: James Lovejoy (aka Minesweeper) has
been nominated, seconded and has indicated consent on
the mailing list. Could you "make it so" Erik?

-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)

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from_name: Ray Saintonge

subject: [WikiEN-l] Introducing WikiMoney

body:
Erik Moeller wrote:

>LittleDan-
>
>> I think most people wouldn't care enough to get a wikismile. Since it can't
>>be used for anything outside of Wikipedia (well, *theoretically* it can) it
>>is already worthless.
>>
>
>So you think everything done within Wikipedia is worthless?
>
>Of course you don't. If you earn WikiWishes, you can use them to motivate
>others to take on tasks which you yourself do not want to or cannot
>complete. This may sound silly, but it only works if people believe in it
>-- if they don't, nobody will be motivated to earn WikiWishes, which means
>that they won't have new wishes to spend, and so forth.
>
The motivations behind this initiative are commendable, but I have a
hard time seeing it as anything but extra work.  Anybody who has been
around for over a month soon sees that there is more than enough work to
go around.  Just imagine all these otherwise excellent contributors
running around accounting for W$.  Don't we already spend enough time
with the mailing lists? :-)

Perhaps when the foundation is at last a reality, and there is real
money in the bank for promotional material we could send out "I'm a
Wikiholic" buttons and T-shirts paid for in W$.  Members could earn W$
for simply editing, but at a higher rate if it's something that the
community has asked for.  A person could lose W$ for bad behaviour.
 Maybe Lir and DW could start off owing us T-shirts ;-)

Ec


subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: Duh --- ignore my previous post

body:
Tannin wrote:
>I should go to bed. I'm not even *reading*
>Mav's last post right. These people are
>already seconded. The lord only knows how
>much sense I'm making when I try to *write*
>something. Sorry people.

It's alright - I do that all the time (for some reason
to Brion much more often than with other people...).

-- mav

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subject: [WikiEN-l] zxcvb

body:
I retract all defence of zxcvb (posthumously).
Recently, she posted on my user page:

:Zoe's allegation that I was adding inappropriate
material to Lynne Thigpen is false. I really can't
force you people to take the time to be reasonable and
discuss your problems, but all edits are recorded and
I think the evidence is quite clearly in support of
me, it's a shame that that the wikipedia is so fond of
sham trials, such is the legacy of totalitarianism.
172.172.13.108

even though I was the only one defending her!

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subject: [WikiEN-l] Introducing WikiMoney

body:
As long as WikiTridents (ψ my version of the money symbol and name) aren't integrated into the software, nobody's going to run around making more accounts for ψs. They can just add five zeros to their ψ100 next to their name. We *could* impliment your complicated system, but that would take a lot of effort and detract from our goal of becomming an encyclopedia. Besides, who would pay for the t-shirts?
--- Ray Saintonge saintonge at telus.net wrote:
 The motivations behind this initiative are commendable, but I have a  hard time seeing it as anything but extra work.  Anybody who has been  around for over a month soon sees that there is more than enough work to  go around.  Just imagine all these otherwise excellent contributors  running around accounting for W$.  Don't we already spend enough time  with the mailing lists? :-)  Perhaps when the foundation is at last a reality, and there is real  money in the bank for promotional material we could send out "I'm a  Wikiholic" buttons and T-shirts paid for in W$.  Members could earn W$  for simply editing, but at a higher rate if it's something that the  community has asked for.  A person could lose W$ for bad behaviour.   Maybe Lir and DW could start off owing us T-shirts ;-)  Ec

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from_name: Lee Daniel Crocker

subject: [Wikitech-l] Switching over to Larousse

body:
> (Jason Richey <jasonr at bomis.com>):
> I'm confused...  I thought that we had decided to just swap IPs at the
> correct time, so the transfer is immediate.  Did I miss something?

Yes, the final event will be immediate, but there is some careful
timing and coordination needed.

For example, shortly before the switchover, we'll have to make the
wiki read-only, then copy over any recently-uploaded images. Also,
the version of the software now on larousse requires a minor database
update (salted user passwords), so that will have to be done while
Apache serves a static page or something (or else we can downgrade
the software and do that change later--but I'd rather keep all te
live software in sync with CVS).

At any rate, just pick a convenient low-traffic time, and Brion and
I will arrange to both be available.

--
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"All inventions or works of authorship original to me, herein and past,
are placed irrevocably in the public domain, and may be used or modified
for any purpose, without permission, attribution, or notification."--LDC


subject: [WikiEN-l] Introducing WikiMoney

body:
I don't think Wikipedia is worthless, I think the
money is worthless. So it won't be much worse if we
allow anyone money.

I think your idea is great, for each person to have an
indivisible ψ10. Since this hasn't been going on
for so long, let's switch to doing that instead of
making everyone rich. We could just divide everyone's
money by 10 and then round.

--- Erik Moeller <erik_moeller at gmx.de> wrote:
> LittleDan-
> >  I think most people wouldn't care enough to get a
> wikismile. Since it can't
> > be used for anything outside of Wikipedia (well,
> *theoretically* it can) it
> > is already worthless.
>
> So you think everything done within Wikipedia is
> worthless?
>
> Of course you don't. If you earn WikiWishes, you can
> use them to motivate
> others to take on tasks which you yourself do not
> want to or cannot
> complete. This may sound silly, but it only works if
> people believe in it
> -- if they don't, nobody will be motivated to earn
> WikiWishes, which means
> that they won't have new wishes to spend, and so
> forth.
>
> I still think that the initial W$ amount is too
> high. If we had limited
> the amount to 10-20, and explicitly declared W$
> indivisible, people would
> be much more motivated to earn it because they would
> feel "poor".  Right
> now, everybody has their pockets full, and nobody
> thinks they need to make
> more because they can make plenty of offers with 100
> W$. In a way, we
> already have WishInflation, even though we haven't
> really started using
> them yet ..
>
> Regards,
>
> Erik
> _______________________________________________
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body:
On Mon, 12 May 2003, Daniel Mayer wrote:
> Tannin wrote:
> >I should go to bed. I'm not even *reading*
> >Mav's last post right. These people are
> >already seconded.

Seconded, thirded. Hey, join the party!

> > The lord only knows how
> >much sense I'm making when I try to *write*
> >something. Sorry people.
>
> It's alright - I do that all the time (for some reason
> to Brion much more often than with other people...).

I like to think it's because my prose is so packed with quality that by
the time you've gotten through the first paragraph, you think you've read
a whole message's worth. ;)

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)


subject: [Wikitech-l] Switching over to Larousse

body:
On Mon, 12 May 2003, Jason Richey wrote:
> I'm confused...  I thought that we had decided to just swap IPs at the
> correct time, so the transfer is immediate.  Did I miss something?

Hmm, well we could do that, but we'd have to transfer all phase3 wikis
simultaneously, which wasn't what Lee had talked about earlier. (The
easiest thing to do at that point would be to bodily transfer the
/apache/htdocs* and /apache/conf directories to the other server. Or else
put some more work into making centralized scripts that can produce the
proper directory tree and config files, which we'll want for adding more
wikis later.) You'd also still have to switch the DNS entries for pliny
and larousse, unless we're switching their names to match their IPs. ;)

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)


from_name: David A. Wheeler

subject: [Wikitech-l] Re: error on searching

body:
I don't know if this is related to the other searching problems,
but when the "Go" and "Search" buttons were swapped, some
strange behavior was introduced.  "Go" works fine, but
"Search" doesn't.  Two problems:

1. An extraneous "search" value in the query is created.
For example, typing "George Mason" and pressing search should try to
GET http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?search=George+Mason
but instead it tries to GET
http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?search=George+Mason&search=Search
(note that "search=" appears twice).
Which means you can only search for the word "Search" :-).

2. Even if you hand-fix the search, the title search doesn't work
at all, nor is there any hint that the search wasn't performed.
It should either do a title search (that's not expensive), or
at least say "No title search performed, server too overwhelmed".

I hope that's clear..!


from_name: Toby Bartels

subject: [Wikitech-l] Re: Interlanguage links - an intermediate solution

body:
Tarquin wrote:

>Tarquin wrote:

>>ignore the link made to the *current* language.
>>this would mean the the SAME block of links can be pasted between all
>>the involved pages. It's not perfect, but it would speed things up for
>>the time being :-)

>erm...
>no comments on this?

Sorry, yes, it's a good idea.

-- Toby


subject: [Wikitech-l] Re: error on searching

body:
On Mon, 12 May 2003, David A. Wheeler wrote:
> 1. An extraneous "search" value in the query is created.

Oops, fixed.

> 2. Even if you hand-fix the search, the title search doesn't work
> at all, nor is there any hint that the search wasn't performed.
> It should either do a title search (that's not expensive), or
> at least say "No title search performed, server too overwhelmed".

Jeebus, how many more disclaimers do I have to put into that thing?

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)


subject: [Wikitech-l] interlanguage links

body:
Some time ago, there was some discussion about a new form to put the
interlanguage links in. It all looked very nice, but was not ready yet.
Then followed a long (months?) period of silence. Is anything happening
on this front at the moment?

Andre Engels


subject: [Wikitech-l] Switching over to Larousse

body:
On Mon, 12 May 2003, Lee Daniel Crocker wrote:
> I'd really rather not do that. The setup on Pliny has become crufty
> and hard to maintain. I went out of my way to install the software on
> Larousse in a cleaner, simpler layout. Transfer of the English wiki
> should be simple and quick, and will get rid of much of the server
> load. Each of the remaining ones can be transferred on at a time,
> using DNS, which will be fine because they can run on both servers
> while the DNS propogates without any problem (that probably wouldn't
> work as well for the English one).

Okay, let me spell this out again. :)

Right now, all wikis are served from the same IP address on the same
machine.

If we swap IP addresses, all wikis are served from the same IP address,
but now they're all on the other machine. That means we must make
provisions to serve all phase 3 wikis on the new machine immediately upon
making the switch.

If, instead, we adjust the DNS, we can individually move each wiki to the
new server one at a time or in a bunch, but need to make provisions for
each one that we switch to leave the old machine in a non-dangerous state
for that wiki while the change propogates (which will be reduced by
dropping the TTL ahead of time).

If I'm missing something here, please let me know.

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)